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[Kosta]

I see you're eager for a response, so here it is.... The new version of abandonia will feature "Tags" for each game, such as sub genre, theme and so on. One of the tags, I suppose, could be 3d as well, so that people will be able to filter out only 3d games! Should be neat once its in place

[chainsoar]

I like that idea. It's a whole lot easier, and yet just as neat and organized as creating a whole new section. Nice one kosta k:

[Tom Henrik]

Well, I don't think that a 3D tag would be such a good idea, personally. Do we actually have any other 3D games apart from MDK on the site?

And, as guesst points out, what would fall under 3D? And to quote Nace:

I`m only aware of 2d and 3d games. By "3d" I meant everything with three dimensions.[/b]

Well, time is a dimension, so if we are to be completely anal retentive with it, then games like Origami would be 3D. It has length, width, and a timer. Of course, that was more a joke than anything else, but it does illustrate the problem. In order to use a tag, everyone needs to agree what that tag actually mean. Like Doom 2, for instance, has a 3D perspective, but it isn't true 3D. Everything in the game is flat as a pancake. Would you consider this game 3D? I wouldn't.

I think it would be better to start off with tags like VGA, EGA, CGA, Parser based, Female/Male Protagonist, 3D perspective, The DOOM engine, FPS, Sierra, LucasArts, Legend Entertainment Company, and so on.

Basically, if the tag doesn't at least list 5 games, it would be a pretty useless tag to implement :P

[nace]

Like I said, it`s your call. I`m just giving a suggestion.

The 3d games I`ve met on this site are Re-volt, MDK, Turok, this other one with this kid like Peter-Pan , and.....
If blood is not 3d, I think that those are it.

Whell they will probably become more in the future.

[Tom Henrik]

I agree. In the future, there will be lots more 3D games on the site. In addition to more and more Windows games as well.

[Titan]

ffs Tom :wallbash:

A 3D-game tag is a good idea. And i ain't talking about games with timers, eg. Super Mario...

Doom 1 and 2 is infact what i would call 3D, as you can move in 3 (4?) dimentions (anyone remembering stairs, eh?). Rise of the Triads is another, and basicly any other FPS game.

How to define 3D?
I wouldn't call a game like Ma-Jong 3D even if the game is a pyramid of bricks, see from above.
A 3D game is not a game seen from an isometric (or what's it called) view, since the view is fixed, and you can basicly only move in 2 dimentions.
The reason WHY we don't have that many 3D games on the site are simple;
We are focused on DOS-games.
DOS is pretty old.
In the DOS era, a normal computer was perhaps a 80386 or 80486 CPU around 33 - 100 MHz.
3D is calculated in 3D and presented on a 2D screen.
Calculating 3D uses ALOT of power from the core and GPU was unknown in those days.
see where i'm going? In 1989 there simply wasn't that many 3D games as the general PC was just too slow.

If we however broaden our views and look forward in time.. as we continue our jurney around the local star, Abandonia slowly eats the games that is fading away in time........... :blink:

In a few years, we might be able to host more (and seen from this date) newer games, so having a working system with tags; 3D games will be easier to find in the ever growing database.

Summary: 3D tag FTW!

[mika]

I think a tagging system is a great idea. Funny I wanted to suggest it ages ago (around the time del.icio.us started) but never got around to it. Are you going to have a nice tag cloud too? Is anyone going to be able to add tags, or just the submitter?

Anyway, I don't think 3d is such a great tag as, like Tom said, 3d can be a bit ambiguous. I think tags like fps or 3rd_person or something would be more detailed. Then again you _can_ have multiple tags so who cares, right?

[Kosta]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom Henrik @ Oct 28 2006, 02:15 PM) [snapback]263990[/snapback]</div>

Well, I don't think that a 3D tag would be such a good idea, personally. Do we actually have any other 3D games apart from MDK on the site?

Well, time is a dimension, so if we are to be completely anal retentive with it, then games like Origami would be 3D. It has length, width, and a timer. Of course, that was more a joke than anything else, but it does illustrate the problem. In order to use a tag, everyone needs to agree what that tag actually mean. Like Doom 2, for instance, has a 3D perspective, but it isn't true 3D. Everything in the game is flat as a pancake. Would you consider this game 3D? I wouldn't.

I think it would be better to start off with tags like VGA, EGA, CGA, Parser based, Female/Male Protagonist, 3D perspective, The DOOM engine, FPS, Sierra, LucasArts, Legend Entertainment Company, and so on.

Basically, if the tag doesn't at least list 5 games, it would be a pretty useless tag to implement :P
[/b]

Well, I disagree. I think its absurd to start discussing about what qualifies as a "true" 3d game considering ALL 3d games, be it wolfenstein 3d or F.E.A.R. simply simulate a 3d environment using different techniques. Even if Wolfenstein and Doom do it with skewing 2d sprites to give us an impression of three dimensions, the only factor that counts is that we, players, perceive it as 3d. The difference is only that new games do it better with more advanced techniques. So any game that allows the player to move in tree dimensions, in real time within a certain space should be considered a 3d game. And as for the actual number of games on the site, there are actually a lot more than 5. Just from the action category genre there are:
Alien Trilogy, Blood, Descent, Doom 2, Kens Labyrinth, MDK, Strife, Terminal Velocity, Turok and Wolfenstein 3D.
That makes a whooping 10
Oh, and the tags shouldn't include companies, only theme/characteristics and further details that are not covered by standard searches.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mika @ Oct 29 2006, 09:00 AM) [snapback]264105[/snapback]</div>

I think a tagging system is a great idea. Funny I wanted to suggest it ages ago (around the time del.icio.us started) but never got around to it. Are you going to have a nice tag cloud too? Is anyone going to be able to add tags, or just the submitter?

Anyway, I don't think 3d is such a great tag as, like Tom said, 3d can be a bit ambiguous. I think tags like fps or 3rd_person or something would be more detailed. Then again you _can_ have multiple tags so who cares, right?
[/b]

Yup, exactly, that's the whole point - multiple tags. And I'm not sure if it would be good if anyone could add tags. It might happen that the tags for a certain game get too bloated, plus it would be nearly impossible to overlook if proper ones are being added. I think it would be safest if that was left for the updaters and reviewers to do....

[Dino]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tom Henrik @ Oct 28 2006, 02:15 PM) [snapback]263990[/snapback]</div>

Well, time is a dimension, so if we are to be completely anal retentive with it, then games like Origami would be 3D. It has length, width, and a timer. Of course, that was more a joke than anything else, but it does illustrate the problem. In order to use a tag, everyone needs to agree what that tag actually mean. Like Doom 2, for instance, has a 3D perspective, but it isn't true 3D. Everything in the game is flat as a pancake. Would you consider this game 3D? I wouldn't.
[/b]

Firstly, I support 3D game tag idea. In my opinion, it would prove very useful for our users and is essential in categorizing games on the site.

Secondly, I don't think there would be any disagreement about what that tag means. In gamer universe it is quite clear what 3D game stands for, at least when we're talking about First Person Shooters (which we are now). Doom 2 is a game vast majority would call a 3D game and I don't think there should be any question about it. Oh, and don't worry, nobody ever considered time a third dimension when talking about 3D games and nobody ever will. So, no problem there.

And as Kosta said, we have more then enough games to fill that category. So, I'm all for the idea. k:

[Tulac]

Oooh so abandonia will be sort of a web 2.0 project?