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[yoga]

Location: Munkharama city
Definitely i meet problem with some stupid task with beans+symbols. I have to distribute them in specific order to open some door.
There 4 beans. And variations are 4! (4 factoriels).
Sorry, i duno the correct name of this mathematic function:
4x3x2x1x = 24 variations.
I have no idea where to start and with which bean to start.

You?

[twillight]

what r symbols

[Scatty]

Originally Posted by yoga

I duno what to do when reach max 100.

Put the points into all other remaining skills. It's not as if you'd have a choice there, anyway - you can finish the level-up process only after spending all free points.
Somewhere around character level 80-100 you should have skilled mostly everything out to 100... if you ever manage to reach that high levels with a 6 character party (requires a lot of grinding) So don't worry much about it.

Originally Posted by yoga

Location: Munkharama city
Definitely i meet problem with some stupid task with beans+symbols. I have to distribute them in specific order to open some door.
There 4 beans. And variations are 4! (4 factoriels).
Sorry, i duno the correct name of this mathematic function:
4x3x2x1x = 24 variations.
I have no idea where to start and with which bean to start.

You?

That one is a bit complicated. Be prepared for some headaches there.
Click the button below for a bit of help (quote taken from this walkthrough).

BEAN PUZZLE. Study the southeast area past door 5. At the center is a room marked 'X'. To the NE, SE, SW and NW (clockwise) are four 1-square rooms marked 'W', 'C', 'P' and 'S'. In each of these rooms you will find a stone - the Bean of 'W'ands, 'C'ups, 'P'entacles and 'S'words. Further to the NE, SE, SW and NW are four 4-square rooms, each having a chalice in the corner adjacent to the nearest 'bean' room. The object is to collect the four beans, put (by 'using') a bean in each of the four chalices, then go to room X and pull the spindle. Whether you have placed the correct bean in the correct chalice is shown by a listing of BLACKs and WHITEs, NOT in meaningful sequence. BWWW simply means that one bean was placed correctly and three were not. If you have it, cast the levitate spell before entering room X. Anything but BBBB gets you dumped into a dungeon below at 'A' where you will eventually find a ladder at 'B' leading up to the NE 4-square room and the opportunity to try again.

I have never heard of anyone getting all black on the first try. I think the first try will always result in four whites. To avoid the necessity to blunder through all 24 possible combinations, I offer a more logical approach that worked for me. (The method, that is - the specific solution is not necessarily repeatable.)

Chalice located NW NE SE SW Result Beans placed first try S W C P WWWW second try W S P C BBWW third try C S P W WWWW fourth try W P S C BBBB

Explanation - on the first try (for lack of a better thought) each bean was placed in the chalice next to the room from which it came. Since all were wrong, all were moved. 'S' and 'W' were swapped and so were 'C' and 'P'. Two correct - two wrong. Third try - swap one pair only (but a different pairing). Swap 'C' and 'W'. All wrong again, BUT - it looks like the only possibility is that putting 'C' and 'W' back would give us two correct again, and that 'P' and 'S' are the ones in the wrong place and should be swapped. Result ? Success! All black. Reward ? A little gold, some XP and a secret door opened at 6 in the SE corner of the SE chalice room .

Spoiler

[yoga]

Originally Posted by Scatty

Put the points into all other remaining skills. It's not as if you'd have a choice there, anyway - you can finish the level-up process only after spending all free points.
Somewhere around character level 80-100 you should have skilled mostly everything out to 100... if you ever manage to reach that high levels with a 6 character party (requires a lot of grinding) So don't worry much about it.


That one is a bit complicated. Be prepared for some headaches there.
Click the button below for a bit of help (quote taken from this walkthrough).

BEAN PUZZLE. Study the southeast area past door 5. At the center is a room marked 'X'. To the NE, SE, SW and NW (clockwise) are four 1-square rooms marked 'W', 'C', 'P' and 'S'. In each of these rooms you will find a stone - the Bean of 'W'ands, 'C'ups, 'P'entacles and 'S'words. Further to the NE, SE, SW and NW are four 4-square rooms, each having a chalice in the corner adjacent to the nearest 'bean' room. The object is to collect the four beans, put (by 'using') a bean in each of the four chalices, then go to room X and pull the spindle. Whether you have placed the correct bean in the correct chalice is shown by a listing of BLACKs and WHITEs, NOT in meaningful sequence. BWWW simply means that one bean was placed correctly and three were not. If you have it, cast the levitate spell before entering room X. Anything but BBBB gets you dumped into a dungeon below at 'A' where you will eventually find a ladder at 'B' leading up to the NE 4-square room and the opportunity to try again.

I have never heard of anyone getting all black on the first try. I think the first try will always result in four whites. To avoid the necessity to blunder through all 24 possible combinations, I offer a more logical approach that worked for me. (The method, that is - the specific solution is not necessarily repeatable.)

Chalice located NW NE SE SW Result Beans placed first try S W C P WWWW second try W S P C BBWW third try C S P W WWWW fourth try W P S C BBBB

Explanation - on the first try (for lack of a better thought) each bean was placed in the chalice next to the room from which it came. Since all were wrong, all were moved. 'S' and 'W' were swapped and so were 'C' and 'P'. Two correct - two wrong. Third try - swap one pair only (but a different pairing). Swap 'C' and 'W'. All wrong again, BUT - it looks like the only possibility is that putting 'C' and 'W' back would give us two correct again, and that 'P' and 'S' are the ones in the wrong place and should be swapped. Result ? Success! All black. Reward ? A little gold, some XP and a secret door opened at 6 in the SE corner of the SE chalice room .

Spoiler

A-R-G-H!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Scatty]

No brain no pain

[yoga]

Originally Posted by Scatty

No brain no pain

Let heard what will say Gnadige Kmonster.

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My confusion is because:
Still i do not recognize where I am.
Which are NE, SE, SW and NW (clockwise)?
Around me doors, doors and doors only.
I have no benchmark to start with beans, понимаешь (understand, verstehen)?

And where, the hell, is this spindle? I see white sculpture only in the small island.
Or it appears only when i put 4 beans?

[yoga]

My very first result is BWWW.
I found the spindel, which i wrongly hope is located at small island within the white statue. No, it is in one of the rooms.
I marked these 4 rooms (with chalices) with color potions.
But i had to mark which pean where is put. Rats!!
No problem.
I will repeat the procedure again and hope, avoiding wrong diplacements, at last to reach BBBB.

Difficult task, ideed.
Even my battle with Integrals (Master, hope You know what is Integral) was not so hard as now.

[yoga]

Master, pls, i am not wrong thinking that (NW) S is starting point (clockwise)?

[yoga]

The victorious army of the brave just solves the puzzle.
After kind help of well respected and dear Master Scatty, the problem was piece of cake.

Long life of MASTER!
Мы любим его!
(We looooooooooooooooooooooove YOU, Master!)
Wir lieben ihn!





one happy yog

[Scatty]

Well, actually I just thought I'd help out a bit but I'm late - you already managed to solve it Congratulations Yoga. You're too kind but all I did was quote from a walkthrough by someone else.

For a record, so it might help someone else with this Bean puzzle, it's simple once you know what to do. You just have to start in one of the four rooms with the urn, doesn't matter which - you decide. Save the game before start putting the beans into the urns, and note on a piece of paper, or in a text file, in which of the four rooms you put which bean.
When you put all four in, enter the middle room and pull to see what you've got. If you don't get BBBB load the savegame and put the beans in a different order, comparing the change with the previous order you wrote down. After that compare the result in the middle room and see what changed. Trial and error is the method here, so it can't be really told how to do it, since it's random for each savegame.