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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Geezer @ Apr 18 2007, 02:49 PM) [snapback]287367[/snapback]</div>

It is true that the Weapons of Mass Destruction accusation proved to be false. However not only was Saddam guilty of attempted genocide against the Kurds and mass murder against many Shiites, lets not forget that there were Al Qaida training camps operating in Iraq with impunity. The same Al Qaida that is responsible for attacking the US and killing over 3,500 of our innocent citizens in one dreadful morning.

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the attempted genocide was max 7000 deaths right? US war in Iraq costed over 70.000 lives

this is interesting:

The only verified Kurdish civilian deaths from chemical weapons occurred in the Iraqi village of Halabja, near the Iran border, where at least several hundred people died from gas poisoning in mid-March, 1988. We know that Iran overran the village and its small garrison of Iraqi troops; what is contested is who was responsible for the deaths--Iran or Iraq--and how large the death toll was.

The best evidence is a 1990 report by the Strategic Studies Institute of the U.S. Army War College.[2] It concluded that Iran, not Iraq, was the culprit in Halabja. Lead author Stephen Pelletiere, who was the CIA's senior political analyst on Iraq throughout the Iran-Iraq war, has described his group's findings:

"The great majority of the victims seen by reporters and other observers who attended the scene were blue in their extremities. That means that they were killed by a blood agent, probably either cyanogens chloride or hydrogen cyanide. Iraq never used and lacked any capacity to produce these chemicals. But the Iranians did deploy them. Therefore the Iranians killed the Kurds."[3]

http://www.mediamonitors.net/robinmiller10.html
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in the end i think he was trialed for arround 148 deaths if i am not mistaking....

EDIT: according to some human right groups there should be 180.000 victims. bodies were not fund and also because of USA campaign in Iraq they are approaching that number fast. again...

anyway, still terrible figure... but hey today 170 people were killed in Baghdad with tightened security: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6567329.stm

anyone cares? who will express schock and condolences to the families? will Bush attend the memorial ceremonies?

Ok so here is what i dont' udnerstand. i get ti that you are allowed to carry a gun. well you have lot's of houses in middle of nowhere... but why does a mental patient, a person who was already at the police because of his strange behaviour get's to carry a gun? : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6568781.stm

ok M. Moore (as much as his documentaries need some more clear background info) you saw that recruit guy... he was for real, right? i mean he didnt' really care what kind of person they take in the army. and it is well known that drug adicts were cheated into getting in. i mean isn't that strange? a country that let's mental patients handle weapons... i dont' think you can increase personal security like that...

a little background check would suffice before giving a licence to cary the gun. or how about proof of no criminal record?!?! or no mental illness??? ut's easy. you give them the proof you can get the gun. i think it would be better that way...