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[Mighty Midget]

If we don't recognize something, I'd say we're ignorant to the potential existence. Then it would be truly absurd to claim it exsists.

[Quintopotere]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mighty Midget @ Aug 19 2006, 07:26 PM) [snapback]249654[/snapback]</div>

If we don't recognize something, I'd say we're ignorant to the potential existence. Then it would be truly absurd to claim it exsists.
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Come on, I wasn't saying "because I don't see it, it exist"
Just something to think about: every one believe that matter exist, cause they "see" it, but from a phisical point of view it is not stricly necessary, cause atoms and their components can be substituted just with energy fields and all can still function in the same way. When you touch something you only feel the repulsion force between the atoms, but you are not truly "touching something".

Originally posted by rlbell+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rlbell)</div>

As far as I know (but I can be wrong), humans and dolphins are the only animals having pleasure with sex, while for the others is just some kind of instinct, but many other races keep care their brats.

<!--QuoteBegin-carpetsmoker
- We go to heaven to live forever ... now, I think "forever" is an awfull long time, with or without the 72 virgins some Muslim seem to get, so this option seems equally unpleasent..

That's not a paradox!
Time is only a human dimension. God (and hopefully we after the death) doesn't live IN time (which is His creation) so there will not be a forever like "boring-very-long-time" :wallbash:
And talking for experience, love (not sex) "hardly" became boring, even now that we are stupid humans...

Originally posted by Iowa
I guess some people have to live the lie.

I agree absolutely with that! But the question is: who his living a lie?

I'm just a stupid human and, apart from my own believes, I hope you all will have a good life. k:

[_r.u.s.s.]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Quintopotere @ Aug 20 2006, 08:11 AM) [snapback]249711[/snapback]</div>

When you touch something you only feel the repulsion force between the atoms, but you are not truly "touching something".
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repulsion force betweet the atoms IS actually called "touching something"..

[Quintopotere]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(_r.u.s.s. @ Aug 20 2006, 10:04 AM) [snapback]249722[/snapback]</div>

repulsion force betweet the atoms IS actually called "touching something"..
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Of course, but I think you know what I was meaning... everyone (the majority) believe to "really touch the matter" and not that "repulsion force field thing".

@ Mighty Midget: You haven't mentioned a Super Computer capable to run fine every games ever created
If you're not going to promise it, I'm not going to turn to your religion! <_<

[rlbell]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Quintopotere @ Aug 20 2006, 08:11 AM) [snapback]249711[/snapback]</div>

As far as I know (but I can be wrong), humans and dolphins are the only animals having pleasure with sex, while for the others is just some kind of instinct, but many other races keep care their brats.

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While most higher vertebrates provide minimal nurturing, few animals need as much love and attention as a human child. It can take a year for a child to walk. Compared to most other mammals, that is nearly forever. Human children still need lots of help; until they are nine or ten years old. True, we do live for a long time, but we spend alot of time learning to fend for ourselves. Compared to adults, human children are rather helpless, right up to adolescence, and it takes years to get that old. Most other animals are finished all of the parental duties in the span of a summer, and those duties are nowhere near as complex as raising a human child.

It is not that other animals do not look after their young at all, but that they do not have to do it for anywhere near as long.

[Havell]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rlbell @ Aug 21 2006, 04:18 AM) [snapback]249825[/snapback]</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Quintopotere @ Aug 20 2006, 08:11 AM) [snapback]249711[/snapback]

As far as I know (but I can be wrong), humans and dolphins are the only animals having pleasure with sex, while for the others is just some kind of instinct, but many other races keep care their brats.

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While most higher vertebrates provide minimal nurturing, few animals need as much love and attention as a human child. It can take a year for a child to walk. Compared to most other mammals, that is nearly forever. Human children still need lots of help; until they are nine or ten years old. True, we do live for a long time, but we spend alot of time learning to fend for ourselves. Compared to adults, human children are rather helpless, right up to adolescence, and it takes years to get that old. Most other animals are finished all of the parental duties in the span of a summer, and those duties are nowhere near as complex as raising a human child.

It is not that other animals do not look after their young at all, but that they do not have to do it for anywhere near as long.
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Yeah, human children take months or years to learn to do things such as walk or feed themselves. Most animals start walking literally minutes after birth.

It's because humans are born at a lower state of development than most animals. So they have to develop to the point at which they can walk outside of the womb, while animals reach that stage before birth.
This is because humans' pelvises are smaller, so we can walk on two legs, and this limits the size of the child to a very underdeveloped one that needs years of care. We evolved to walk to two legs so the hands can be used for using tools etc.

Oh, and that bit about only humans and dolphins enjoying sex is rubbish. Why would other animals do it if they didn't get enjoyment from it?
However, they are one of only a few species which have sex purely for fun (along which several different times of monkey).

[Quintopotere]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Havell @ Aug 21 2006, 10:36 AM) [snapback]249876[/snapback]</div>

Why would other animals do it if they didn't get enjoyment from it?
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Maybe just instinct and nature rules?

But we are going really off topic, and I admit that's caused also by me

[carpetsmoker]

I have a question for he religious people here:
We die, and we go to either heaven or hell.
Then we'll go and live forever in heaven...?
What's the point in that?

Also, if there's a God, and he'll exist forever, what's the point in that?

Anyway, the way I see it, there are two options when we die:
- We stop existing, this seems somewhat unpleasent to me.

- We go to heaven to live forever ... now, I think "forever" is an awfull long time, with or without the 72 virgins some Muslim seem to get, so this option seems equally unpleasent..

It's a paradox ... one that sucks....

[rlbell]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(carpetsmoker @ Aug 20 2006, 02:12 AM) [snapback]249685[/snapback]</div>

I have a question for he religious people here:
We die, and we go to either heaven or hell.
Then we'll go and live forever in heaven...?
What's the point in that?

[/b]

If you cannot understand the point of being in the presence of God, how can you expect anyone to explain it to you?

However, as I fell like tilting at windmills: Being in communion with God in heaven is probably at least as pleasurable as a perpetual cocaine high that somehow preserves judgement and objectivity, and is totally without the nasty come-down.

The flip side is being denied the presence of God while knowing that it was your choices in life that put you there. It is the come-down from the euphoria that was life, but it never ends and it never gets better.

[Grinder]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(carpetsmoker @ Aug 20 2006, 02:12 AM) [snapback]249685[/snapback]</div>

I have a question for he religious people here:
We die, and we go to either heaven or hell.
Then we'll go and live forever in heaven...?
What's the point in that?

Also, if there's a God, and he'll exist forever, what's the point in that?
[/b]

Probably one that the human mind is uncapable of understanding.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(carpetsmoker @ Aug 20 2006, 02:12 AM) [snapback]249685[/snapback]</div>

We go to heaven to live forever ... now, I think "forever" is an awfull long time, with or without the 72 virgins some Muslim seem to get, so this option seems equally unpleasent..
[/b]

Come on, what is it worth wondering about the point of life when you have 72 virgins for eternity