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[Quintopotere]

Originally posted by Borodin@Jul 14 2005, 06:10 PM
In other words, you go to some heaven, and become god? Because if you don't become god, you can hardly become perfect. To be eternally separate, is not perfection.

Love is perfection! In heaven we will able to love perfectly like God!

Perfection is not something related to culture or school grades... even a dumb could live loving and go to heaven...

@ Lethe: we MUST believe in what we want to believe! And it's not important is i don't remember a Mxwell's equation or what a profet said in a specific occasion: the important it's just understand the main plot...

[efthimios]

Triton, you said

as God created science, and when Adam and Eve were cast out of Eden to live in this world of pain and suffering, God doesn't hold science back. Humans are expected to fend for themselves, and no amount of prayer to God is going to send humanitarian aid or fix anything.



Am I wrong to remember that the whole Jesus crucifiction and resurection was part of erasing the first sin?...

and yes I used to be christian.

Originally posted by Lethe+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lethe)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>The problem is, who are you to divide the bible into right and wrong, according to your own perceptions?[/b]

Who are you to take the Bible word for word? If everyone was a Christian who took the Bible word for word, we wouldn't have women's rights. I think it was in one of the letters of St Paul to the Corinthians that Paul wrote that women should be submissive to their husbands. Granted, Paul wrote this quite a few years after Jesus was crucified when the Church was being founded and things were quite disorganized (not to mention his rivalry with St Peter), but there were no revisions. He does contradict himself in another place (I can't remember where) by naming a woman before a man, which was quite unspeakable in the Roman world.

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Am I wrong to remember that the whole Jesus crucifiction and resurection was part of erasing the first sin?...[/quote]

If you created the universe, wouldn't you be able to bend your own rules in order to give your creation a second chance?

[Shifter]

Wow this is a religious debate..nothing like intended by the original poster (I think at least)

Anyways..I'm not catholic but I will give my views on heaven as a Baptist. Obvoiusly with christianity, we believe in Heaven and Hell, being places where God, and Satan reside. Heaven is the place that God has created for his people..and when death occurs....the body remains on Earth but the spirit of the body is taken to heaven (if "saved" of course) where he lives among the angels and all others who passed before, and among God. It's a place of peace. What actually occurs there I guess is anyones speculation or guess...

Anyways..that's just my beliefs on it.

[Shunk Eat Enemy]

well since thats been answer can i ask what is hell exactly iv'e seen a good informing show on tv talking about hell i haven't read dante's inferno yet but i'd like to know what is hell or what do you interupt it into, dante's inferno describes it as a cold frozen place divided into 7 layers thats all i know

[efthimios]

Triton,
no you wouldn't bend the rules because according to the christian beliefs the god does not make mistakes. He doesn't have to bend the rules, he knows everythings that ever was is and will be no matter what.

[Shifter]

Originally posted by Shunk Eat Enemy@Jul 15 2005, 04:25 AM
well since thats been answer can i ask what is hell exactly iv'e seen a good informing show on tv talking about hell i haven't read dante's inferno yet but i'd like to know what is hell or what do you interupt it into, dante's inferno describes it as a cold frozen place divided into 7 layers thats all i know

Well according to Christianity..hell is basically the opposite of Heaven. Hell is the place where Satan rules and dwells...of course the typical thoughts of it are that it is full of fire and flame..and hot. I dunno exactly how it is in hell..and I suppose noone does..but it is supposed to be a place of despair and endless um..torment I guess you could say.

[PrejudiceSucks]

I thought it was just a place where you could never be with God. The rest of the stuff was just added in to make it even worse .

[Havell]

Don't forget that Hell is supposed to be as much a punishment for Satan as the rest of the people there. According to Dante's Inferno, the higher levels have punishments like being whipped and wallowing in muck while the very lowest levels, are full of ice and the lower down you are the more encased in ice you are, the penultimate level's denizens are completed encased in ice while the unlucky people in the lowest level are held inside Lucifer's mouth. He being completely encased in ice.

[efthimios]

At least they are not forced to watch re runs of Jerry or something.