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[Juni Ori]

Actually none of my business, but I'm still going to say this:

What little I now know - which is nearly nothing more than public knowledge is - forces me to make following conclusions: Sean is close to thruth there. They lacked the self-confidence to work for common good without privileges of their will and were too naive to handle the situation maturely. And guess what: I bet they've already made new accounts...

And I don't want to trivialize their efforts, they have certainly done great job.

[omg]

its a shame that this minor decision over some smileys has led to some major stress.

[Don Andy]

OK, I have only one word to say and it will be the only word I'll ever say to this whole discussion:

Ridiculous.

[Stebbi]

All i can say is meehh.....what's everybody whining about.....it's like this forum is turning to a whining forum.

[The Fifth Horseman]

I bet they've already made new accounts...

I bet they didn't. Neither of them was the kind of person to do that.

[Tulac]

Well there's only one thing puzzling me, since I joined there were absolutely no changes with admins(I'm not sure if FreeFreddy was an admin or not), and their behaviour, it always seemed the same to me, so I don't really understand why such reactions , it's like they got some sort of break, like they flipped, it's almost identical with Anubis and Sebatianos, except Seb was more cultural and didn't piss of the admins that much...

[The Good Soldier Švejk]

This Must be a Conspirancy!

Maybe the CIA is eliminating All Forum members!

No, Serious, this makes me Goin' Nuts!

I'm Feelin' Like this site Die with the Leaving of Sebastianos!

Suddenly, Everything is going Downwards...

[Sebatianos]

Although I decided not to return, I wanted to check the PMs as I left directly after making the decision last night.

There were still some information I had there (like some e-mail and things).

I thought I'd simply get that information and leave quietly, but after reading this I feel I need to further explain.

What Tom posted - from the moderators forum is perfectly correct, except for one small detail. After my last post there I have been writing my good-bye and haven't seen any of the replys made to it.

The smileys were just the latest thing - the straw that broke the camels back (so to speak).

The real reson is that I don't feel comfortable on this forum any more.

As most of you who got to know me by now will be able to say - I was above all trying to be humane. I was either joking, being serious, got involved into a discusion... but all of it because I was the way I am in real life as well. It's got nothing to do with my self confidence, neither is it the incapability to work together with people. I simply chose not to work with this particular group.

I don't know if there's something wrong with them or not. I'm guessing it is not - but as I mentioned before (in another post), I've never met any of them. Some at least weren't simply hiding behind their signatures, others never reviels they were even real people... It doesn't matter to a netizen comunity - it does to me personally.

I feel I'm a free man, not a cog in some trendy new experiment, trying to place all the people in a certain group. In this case the netiquete.

It may be that my point of wiev will seem strange to you - or even wrong, but I'm placing moral values above the legal ones. I'm placing case to case tratment of people above a stndardization of the rules. I'm placing the person in the first place - and the rest in the backgroud from which the person stands. For a long time there was no conflict of interests here. Lately things started heating up in me. They finally reached the boiling point - so I decided to leave. And if I leave, I leave everything (including my reviewer/updater position).

It is true I've been very rough on Tom lately. He's been taking it very well I must say. He may resent me, he may not. It's up to him to decide. I acted this way towards him, since lately he was the one who started making changes. He was trying to do what he thought was right. Time will tell if it was. But if a new set of rules is to be placed (the ones that were not discused with the moderators - they were simply told to follow them) and I did not agree to them - I would not let the person who made the rules do something other then follow them to the letter (it was a way of protesting).

I think Sean posted there was something going on between me, Titan and Eagle of Fire. No, nothing was going on. Eagle was one of the people who got fed up with the way I was acting and told me so. He told it to me straight in the face and I can only respect him for it. I never considered him a friend, but I never had anything against him. He was (to me) simply a contributing member.
I never had anything against Titan, so I don't know where the idea even came from. I think he has an interesting sense of humor and he's one of the people I'd actually consider the most human on the site (he's not trying to pretend - he simply is who he is).

So to put it as simple as possible:
1) I loved this place, had fun here, met friends here and being an open person I wanted to share with people (that's why I made so many reviews - I simply like to see that people have a somewhat brighter day because of a little thing I've said or done - I guess that's in most of us).
2) This gave me certain privileges and obligations.
3) The way I should fulfil my obligations did not suit me personally. I saw things in that I disliked. The internet is becoming an importaint socialogical phenomenon and it is changing the entire human society. I have my views on how the world should be - and the concept of netizens something I consider dangerous for the humanity itself. I know I'm only a lone voice and that I'd achieve nothing on the grand scale, but at least I'll have a clean conscience. This may seem strange to people, but that's simply who I am.

Hopefully this will help you understand.

I'd like (to at this point) also congratulate Tom on posting the topic from the hidden forum in public. I see some of my ideas did not fall on unfurthile ground. It was generally the admins saying things should not be dealt in public, but as I said before - if there's something I won't say in public, I certainly won't say it in private (because then it's a thing I shouldn't say at all). Hidding things away from the comunity was one of the things I've ranted about ever since the warn metres were put on the site (and the little Yamcha565656 incident happened).

And now that I've hopefully explained my reasons, the rest of the forum can find peace and also stop guessing what happened.

There, my final post.
:bye:

[wormpaul]

Just has to say:

When people got problems with eachother it should always be discused private and not in the open area of the forums...

[Sean]

Just to clear this up.

I meant whatever issues you had with the whole admin community. That post was talking about Rafs problems with Tom.

If you're certain you won't be returning, goodbye and goodluck.