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[skaven510]

I'm not sure imagination is going the way of the Dodo. The one thing that gives me hope is that the intense popularity of books like Harry Potter. It only takes one good book to get people to appreciate the value of their own imagination. It was like when my mom bought me the D&D basic set back when I was six. The whole D&D world caught my imagination and I was soon battling Rust monsters in the starter packss campain. I still remember the picture of that rust monster and how it would eat away my weapon if I hit it. Anyways, just something as simple as that starter pack started me on different ways of using my imagination and creativity.

Just my 2 cents worth.

[chumloofah]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rlbell @ Aug 6 2007, 09:10 PM) [snapback]303228[/snapback]</div>

Art without purpose is music without sound (a funny-once joke, at best). The simplest way to recognize a bad piece of art is if you cannot derive any meaning of the piece without knowing the title.
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Utility and meaning aren't the same thing.
Take a chair.
If it's for sitting on it's a chair, if it's not for sitting on it's art.
A good piece of art's going to inspire a thought or emotion along with, in many cases, a wanky comment, but it won't do anything.

[Sebatianos]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skaven510 @ Aug 8 2007, 05:30 PM) [snapback]303640[/snapback]</div>

I'm not sure imagination is going the way of the Dodo. The one thing that gives me hope is that the intense popularity of books like Harry Potter. It only takes one good book to get people to appreciate the value of their own imagination. It was like when my mom bought me the D&D basic set back when I was six. The whole D&D world caught my imagination and I was soon battling Rust monsters in the starter packss campain. I still remember the picture of that rust monster and how it would eat away my weapon if I hit it. Anyways, just something as simple as that starter pack started me on different ways of using my imagination and creativity.
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Excellent point.

OK, people would might say that you didn't develop your own imagination, because you didn't think that monster up yourself, but saw it. Still, by seeing it and applying your imagination to something besides the everyday reality you have further developed your imagination. Where would you be without it? Would you develop your own imagination to such a point?

Did the quick-sell imaginatory world (D&D, MTG, Harry Potter...) hurt your imagination by forcing the made up world by somebody else upon you, or did it acctually start it off, by giving you the needed push beyond the border of reality and imagination?

[skaven510]

Excellent point.

Where would you be without it? Would you develop your own imagination to such a point?

Did the quick-sell imaginatory world (D&D, MTG, Harry Potter...) hurt your imagination by forcing the made up world by somebody else upon you, or did it acctually start it off, by giving you the needed push beyond the border of reality and imagination?
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I personally was always in my own little world being an only child you live in your own little world anyways D&D just helped fuel my creative drive to make worlds and populate those worlds with heroes, villians and monsters and then play as those heroes or villians and if your the DM the monsters.

Anyways I don't consider any form of writing hurting your imaginiation by giving it borders. When you think up new and interesting ideas that is never a bad thing and anything that helps the better.

I'm not sure about MTG using too much of your imagination though. That is more of a mathmatical problem type of game. IMO

[Icewolf]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mighty Midget @ Jul 29 2007, 09:13 PM) [snapback]301846[/snapback]</div>

Music: I have watched music videos, and I get a good (?) idea what it is the band is trying to tell me. I then listen to the same song with no video, and I'm all of the sudden wondering: What are they trying to tell me? Do I really need visual aid to understand? Or did the video just broaden the message somehow?[/b]

I'd like to refer to this one:
Do you know the music video of Jack Johnson's 'Taylor'?

The video has actually nothing to do with the lyrics but both diliver a small message and it's nice.

[Japo]

Imagination never creates anything out of the blue. I think it was Aristotle who stated that phantasia processes the data from the senses. I remember a very good ducumentary that kinda proved that the brain works much alike when dreaming and when awake. Only that when sleeping there's no data from the senses, but the brain doesn't stop working and so makes stuff up, but still ultimately out of the stored memories. When you're awake your brain also makes stuff up from stored memories all the time, that's why you see someone and think, "hey that's my friend X", and then you look closer and see that you made a mistake; or you think you saw a revolting insect and then it turns out to be some polen. Without imagination we would only see meaningless "bitmaps".

[chumloofah]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Japofran @ Aug 9 2007, 10:32 AM) [snapback]303833[/snapback]</div>

Imagination never creates anything out of the blue. I think it was Aristotle who stated that phantasia processes the data from the senses. [/b]

You can only use the materials you have, is how I interpret that philosopher.
It doesn't mean a person can't come up with a new concept
An imaginative man can do more with what he was.
Take 2 paperclips and an empty coke can.
To me, that could be a coke man with a little face; to macgyver, a rail gun.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Japofran @ Aug 9 2007, 10:32 AM) [snapback]303833[/snapback]</div>

When you're awake your brain also makes stuff up from stored memories all the time, that's why you see someone and think, "hey that's my friend X", and then you look closer and see that you made a mistake[/b]

Read catch-22 for more on the vu's.

[Playbahnosh]

Good points. I have to agree to most of them. But I have a somewhat different idea about this.

Lets look at the bigget picture. I think what is happeing now is the calm before the storm. Every revolution in Earth's historty was because people were BORED. People always want something new, but unfortunatly that means discarding the old things (more or less). I think what we facing here is big art revolution sometime in the near future. There will be a whole new style of art coming. something radically unlike before. Just like Picasso was at his time, or Rock and Roll, or even democracy against feudalism. People are slowly getting bored with this kind of art. Proves my point: This discussion, and the many others before on this matter, on this very forum alone.

CGI is getting boring, because film makers use it as an unversal tool to make best selling movies. People see the awesome effects and pay up, regardless of the story, or the meaning of the movie. So movie writers don't need a story anymore. Just take the new Transformers movie for example. It's turd, but a shiny turd on a golden plate, with cherry on top. meh.

But some part of the crowd (like us) is starting to feel bored to tears about the current standards, and with good reason. And there will be a revolution, that will change this. Maybe for the better, maybe not, but at least we get to see a very new kinda turd

[rlbell]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Playbahnosh @ Aug 12 2007, 10:18 PM) [snapback]304355[/snapback]</div>

Every revolution in Earth's historty was because people were BORED.
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That is quite the statement. Rather than ask you to prove that bald assertion, I will merely ask you to name two of these revolutions that were caused by boredom.

Most revolutions were caused by people being unhappy.

For most people past the rebellious, thrillseeking episode of their lives called "youth", when it comes to anything but idling away the hours between suppertime and bedtime, boredom is something devoutly to be wished. Adventure is someone else having a miserable time. Generally speaking, safety is boring. Except for a lucky few, excitement at work is the result of something going wrong. Where I work, excitment is inextricably linked to ambulances. Nothing pleases me more than to say "Nothing exciting happened at work, today.". In fact, I take a small moment each morning to pray for an unexciting shift.

Parents like boring lives. Raising children in boring times is relatively easy. As the children do not have years of experience, everything is new to them, so they will not be bored.

No one who knows better will want to live in interesting times. When a chinese person wishes you to live in interesting times, that person is bestowing a curse.

[STFM]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Playbahnosh @ Aug 13 2007, 08:18 AM) [snapback]304355[/snapback]</div>

CGI is getting boring, because film makers use it as an unversal tool to make best selling movies. People see the awesome effects and pay up, regardless of the story, or the meaning of the movie. So movie writers don't need a story anymore. Just take the new Transformers movie for example. It's turd, but a shiny turd on a golden plate, with cherry on top. meh.

But some part of the crowd (like us) is starting to feel bored to tears about the current standards, and with good reason. And there will be a revolution, that will change this. Maybe for the better, maybe not, but at least we get to see a very new kinda turd
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Then stop going to see big 'blockbuster' movies where the effects are the movie. Go to see more movies where the effects add to the experience rather than make it. There are plenty! The Prestige was a good example in my opinion. Spiderman 3, in my opionion, was one of the worst movies ive ever seen.