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[Borodin]

Originally posted by Quintopotere+Jul 14 2005, 03:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Quintopotere @ Jul 14 2005, 03:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Borodin@Jul 14 2005, 02:56 PM
Sleeping forever...?* Why do that?* I would want to change, to grow.

Uhmm, growing forever? It sounds me like going forever to nowhere...
If you have no destination to reach, why grow? [/b][/quote]
Because I want to understand myself, and the universe, more. As I go through life, I change. I develop new reactions, I learn new things, my horizons always grow larger. That's my nature. It's the way I am. To be stuck in stasis forever would be like...being forced to watch one movie, over and over, always the same, all the way through. That would be hell.

[punch999]

this is just growing into a huge spam fest so either get on topic or let this thread be locked

I'll be the judge of that thank you - Havell

[a1s]

Originally posted by Borodin+Jul 14 2005, 03:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Borodin @ Jul 14 2005, 03:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Because I want to understand myself, and the universe, more. As I go through life, I change. I develop new reactions, I learn new things, my horizons always grow larger. That's my nature. It's the way I am. To be stuck in stasis forever would be like...being forced to watch one movie, over and over, always the same, all the way through. That would be hell. [/b]

here's a special heaven jsut for you:
during the day- you get to read any book ever written by any author, or go anyplace in the universe.
at night- we earse your memories of the day but you don't know about it.
this way you get to grow as far as you want (the day in heaven lasts as long as you're not tired), and never run out of secrets to discover! :w00t:

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let this thread be locked [/quote]
never! :tai:

[Borodin]

Originally posted by a1s@Jul 14 2005, 04:51 PM
here's a special heaven jsut for you:
during the day- you get to read any book ever written by any author, or go anyplace in the universe.
at night- we earse your memories of the day but you don't know about it.
this way you get to grow as far as you want (the day in heaven lasts as long as you're not tired), and never run out of secrets to discover! :w00t:

No thanks. Since I don't believe in a heaven anyway, I'll pass.

Originally posted by lethe+Jul 14 2005, 08:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lethe @ Jul 14 2005, 08:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Triton@Jul 14 2005, 01:58 AM
There is no need for anything because the human heart has the one thing it truly desires, which is to be one with God.* Food and water are not needed because there is no body.

Maybe those that spend their lives trying to learn that, myself I have no desire of being one with any god. Besides, a "soul" can be understood in so many ways, and I believe in the scientific way better than the religious one. Therefore, that "heaven" sounds way too boring to me. [/b][/quote]
According to Catholicism, on Earth we receive only a portion of God's love. However, when we die, hell is thought to be not a place where you are burned or whatever, but a place where God does not send you ANY love at all. Without God's love, there is agony and despair.

Speaking of science, it is quite possible for science and religion to coexist. For example, I accept Darwin's ideas of evolutionism, but consider that the first animals were created by God and evolved from there to suit their environments. I also consider things like the tsunami in December 2004 to be not God's responsibility, as God created science, and when Adam and Eve were cast out of Eden to live in this world of pain and suffering, God doesn't hold science back. Humans are expected to fend for themselves, and no amount of prayer to God is going to send humanitarian aid or fix anything.

Originally posted by Borodin+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Borodin)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>The concept of continuing on literally forever in my current state of separated self sounds like a hell, not like a heaven. And yet Christians believe this; even desire it. I find that, with due respect, amazing.[/b]

Well, according to teaching, no one is perfect. Heaven is supposed to be a place where you are completely perfect, so things might be different for you.

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Another issue that puzzles me: It's written in the Bible that if you live a good life, your gift would be to stay on Earth. So heaven is the place where the evil/not so good souls go when their bodies die (If you believe in ethereality of the soul). I haven't been in a mass for years, but I think the priest kinda teaches the opposite?[/quote]

As I said before, you really can't read the Bible and take everything as you see it. The Bible is more metaphorical than factual; if you base your beliefs solely around every word in the Bible, then you're probably pretty-closed minded.

[punch999]

very nice imitation of my alter ego to bad it was spam

[chickenman]

I am Pagan

[lethe]

The problem is, who are you to divide the bible into right and wrong, according to your own perceptions? As I said in my first post, each person believes in what they want to believe.


Adam and Eve are not coexistable with Darwin's theory.

[a1s]

Originally posted by lethe@Jul 14 2005, 05:38 PM
Adam and Eve are not coexistable with Darwin's theory.

why not? they would fit perfectly where "the missing link" supposedly is. there are some illogical parts to evolution, and they were addressed in the great flood thread (I intentionaly plced no link here, because you shouldn't revive that thread).
let's get back to heavens.

[Borodin]

Originally posted by Triton@Jul 14 2005, 05:30 PM
Well, according to teaching, no one is perfect.* Heaven is supposed to be a place where you are completely perfect, so things might be different for you.

In other words, you go to some heaven, and become god? Because if you don't become god, you can hardly become perfect. To be eternally separate, is not perfection.