i remember back in the day (durin the 80's) wen games used to be plaed by big slow bulcky things such as the amiga commder 64 i mean these things u could beat the crap out of and they would still work find .... i now in 2005 have a p256 soon to be unpgrading to a p4 . i rembmer playing games such a settlers and populs on the amgia wen it was the "in thing" browsing this site and many others like it i noticed that alot of old skool amgia games r being converted to run on the pc ... if any one knows of some good old games that i can play that i aint herd of or finnished yet pls let me know i wish to relive the good ol days long as i possibly can .... oh and btw dose any one know what version i got to upgrade my C&C 95 edition to so i can play the skirmish mode..... it blows not being able to play the skirmish mode.... :Titan: :sniper:

That's why most of us are here...

What are your favorite genres?

As far as I know, there is no skirmish mode availble in C&C, so it can't be unlocked or added... But I'm not entirly sure on this one

there are some good non virus infected rom sites out there but they are hard to find under the pile of poo that wil invariabley pop up if you search on google. i know a couple that i use but we are not allowed to post rom links. (besides the esa would probably click on em) however if you want a good c64 emulator i recomend v.i.c.e however if you are a fan of the far supirior speccy then it has to be valadimir kladovs emu z or if you have money in your pocketspectaculator you do get 30 days for free though. on the amiga side theres a whole load of versions of win uae here i found this one tricky to set up though, and as i only wanted to play moonstone i couldent be bothered with it. good luck on reliving the classics man.

Yeah.. The C64 rules :max:

Say whaaat??

NEVER :Titan:

But still a fun computer. www.worldofspectrum.org is the best source for speccy use btw :)

All legal, of course :)

world of spectrum rocks and is a good all rounder. it needs maintanace though. lots of broken links.

thank you all for your help ... to answer some of the questions asked of me my fav kinda games i like to play r ither stratergy games where u build ur base build ur army smash the enemy while at the same time defending ur own base from attacks i also enjoy rpg games like d&d and platforms like revanent .... most of the games i have downloaded from here r good but not the best games i have played i think a good game that should be added to this site is alpha centrui and its expansion pack .... altho boring and for some one like my self who is used to fast pased real time games it can be enjoyable for those that enjoy slow games with a small amount of poitics in it ... any way yes if any one can mention some good games for download in the stratergy side of things that r challanging for me. btw i think its time that abanonina took cruisader no remores and no regreat down and put it back up for free down load ... i have asked round all my local computer games shops and they all say both games have been disconitnued ... i have both games for ps1 but would love to be able to relive them on pc .... also too if i may .... i would like to see c&c red alert and its expansion pack up on this site for download along with c&c's expansion pack as both games r no longer sold on the market we should be able to down load them with out the esa shuting this site down .... im thinking of possibly startin my own site and letting ppl that join the site submit their own games for other to download ... i beleave in free trade ... and bartering .. e.g if i say was to put ra2 up on the site and some onewanted it they would tell me a list of games they had and if they had one i wanted will we would trade i think that would be ok considering that these multi nationl coprations would make in one hour what they loose in a second ... well thats all from me my post is getin long enough as it is and im just rambling on now ( has smoked to much pot) so yea once again thnx for the posts

Protected. No way.
ESA. No way.
This doesn't mean we can have them here, there is also something like copyright protection, and we would like to respect this. If we obtain permissions again from the copyright owners, these games might reappear. Otherwise, they'll hire some really nasty people (also known as lawyers) to shut down the site as a whole and then sue us all to hell and back - a couple of times, actually. Don't you think it's better to not have a few games then not have the whole site?
Good joke. These games are still protected, and some time ago ESA was sending shutdown threats to HOTU for hosting a game from 1986, that is definitely not sold for waaay over a decade. Being not sold has nothing to do with the copyright protection.
You know, I really think you ought to go check the difference between warez and abandonware. Such a site would get shut down pronto, and a lot of angry ESA-members would then come for your head.
Corporations love to bitch about every cent they lose to piracy.

well i relise that not not to mention at the time i was writing the post i was stoned so all rationl thought had gone out the window. LOL so i shall do the honorable thing and retact my last statment... LOL i would rather have abanonia and its fellow sites than have no free games to download ... considering the fact im only just keeping my head above the poverty line ..i dont have the money to go and buy new games .... so sites like abanonina r heavens for ppl like me self.

:ok: this site is the best.....I love finding games that I can't ever find anymore...but remember losing like crap too when I was a kid and now being able to master them......free is pretty cool too......I wuz just comin around to find more stuff about syndicate .... but after seeing all these old stuffs.....its getting addicting to play for free. It sucks playing games meant for consoles on computers though.......tried guerilla war....I remember that wuz on the old 8-bit nes....it looks bad.....and controls even worse with the num pad. oh well...good attempt.....gotta love the old skool

I must say blue_bags, your avatar is very hypnotic......

indeed it is, that's what i call *eye catching* i barely can look somewhere else... anway BTT

i've had many great moments in the "Old days" with my c64 or atari st (pong)
anytime i play one of these gems again i get the same feeling again how it was back these days to play games like pong, Dune, Agent Island, and all those other oldies.. it's like a time machine
wich makes it possible for me to be this 10-15 years old kid again...

LOL yes i my self love the old days .... sitin on the old amiga c64 playing things like settlers or cannon fodder and other such games on a friday night with a half empty pizza box near me and a bottle of coke .... one of the best things bout the old computers back in them days if u did want to access the net ... even tho in them days the internet was a very very new very very primative thing u had no chance what so ever of getting a virus ... or any thing like that ... nothing like that now days there r over a billion viruses... out there waiting to strike and to protect ur pc u need to spend over 80 bucks a programe some cases up to 700 bucks for all the right gear to protect ur pc . and the majorty of the time the viruses r made by bored teenagers with nothing to do . and it would not suprise me if microsoft had a secret department that let the big viruses loose on the net so people went on a spending spree to buy more anti virus programes.... would not suprise me at all.

I don't know how one could spent $700 on virus software. I spend approximately $0 and it does me fine. I use AVG which is good, and I've also heard Avast is good.

I also remember some of those good old days (early 90's) although I think we are just looking back with rose tinted glasses. It was good back then, but there were also not so great times we forget about. Now it isn't worse, its just diferent.

My wife's first computer was a Kaypro 2. We lugged that computerized boat anchor with us as we moved several times, and only finally got rid of it when it got left off a moving van, once. Thank the gods.

My first personal computer was the first Radio Shack model, though I'd used mainframes before that. Came with a cassette drive and 48K RAM! As I recall, I eventually junked it and got an Atari 800, then switched to a PC around 1986, when I started seriously reviewing. My first review was of one of the Wizardry titles for PC Magazine. I was also doing application reviews. I remember a PC Magazine issue that was a word processor roundup: 28 separate word processors were reviewed. There were word processors designed with high end features for engineers, for researchers, and even for people who wanted to carry their entire word processing package on a single 5 1/2" floppy in 16K RAM. And they say Microsoft hasn't throttled software development!

here here i agree what u said bout microstoft but look at it like this .... u shut down microsft u shut down the hole worlds softwear developtment ... face it microsoft is here to stay and dominate us for a long time till a bigger fish comes along and bites it in the behind

Which isn't going to happen, ever.

I like Microsoft.
Sure, their latest OS's have been mostly crap, but 2000 is my buddy. I grew up with a C64, and many other old machines, but I wouldn't ever trade in any of the games available now, for those older ones, no matter how good they were.
In my opinion, those weren't really the good old days at all, I remember the keyboard on the C64 drove me into a homicidal rage, with it's non-responsive buttons, and DOS was the most horrid thing in existence.
The true "good old days" are those of 1994-1999 where Windows emerged, and hit after hit was released. To add to it, Windows was actually incredibly easy to use back then. But now, we sometimes have to trade in that simplicity in order to play the latest and greatest games.
It's a fair trade in my opinion, but having to upgrade all the time is a drag, but to make things seem fair, I can say that you had to upgrade MUCH more in the older days (Processers bumped up a bit everday it seems).

XP kicks 2000's arse and hands it back on a Home Edition platter!

i like xp as an os its robust. just can suck for playing games that use older versions of direct x, but there is usually workarounds

need to get the hang of using dos as my boot sector and booting from that, just playin with some *recycled* machines that are sitting around at the moment.

here here i agree what u said bout microstoft but look at it like this .... u shut down microsft u shut down the hole worlds softwear developtment ...

I'm assuming you're joking--though some might take you seriously. Do you know that back in 1988, PC Magazine published an issue reviewing all the PC-based word processors, and that it had 28 to review?

How many word processors are there today, under Windows? How many provide the functionality of Nota Bene, Mass-10, or all the other heavily customized word processors, developed for individual needs?

We can extend this into other fields, as well. Research the late 1980s, and look for spreadsheets, databases, memory managers, project managers, contact managers. Compare this to what Microsoft offers, today.

What Microsoft does is fund *monopoly.* And a monopoly isn't good for anybody. Because the monopoly that controls the software doesn't have to work to tailor its software to fit specific needs, or interests. It's a tyranny of One Size Fits All.

If Microsoft vanished and Windows with it tomorrow, Linux would become the standard. Open Source would take over, and suddenly plenty of developers who gave up their businesses because Microsoft pushed them under would open shop again. I've known plenty--and there are far more than I've ever met, just waiting and hoping.

(Btw, I use WinXP. I like it. I've got nothing against Windows per se, but there is no truth to the statement made without research that Microsoft has ever been a leader in software development. It's been a case of Bill Gates buying pre-made products that looked like they were going to offer competition, and either co-opting them into Windows or shutting them down.)

Borodin, that's business, :D

no its not its monopolisation something that is supposed to be illegal.
but big buisnessess paying lobbyists doesnt seem to be for some odd reosen.
it seems that monopolisation is illegal unless you are microsoft.
so stop thinking you know all kid its extremely annoying.

and the old stuff rules. i have played the latest games but i still love my zx speccy and c64 emulators as im a fan of gameplay over flashy graphics and as they didnt have the flashy graphics back then good games programmers focussed a lot more on the playability and *feel* of games.
i would rather play uridium or julian gollops chaos than a lot of the latest games. back in the days developers tended to be more independent so they would experiment more nowadays its all about copying the last thing that made money. when was the last time you played a new r.t.s that didnt have the same premise as dune 2. (ie: gather resources, build base, build army attack)
and all f.p.s generally feel the same. (excepting mb deus x)
i think the last game i played when i thought *wow* this is original was maybe jet set radio.
were swamped by games now. back in the days original concepts stood out. now its mainly just commerciail tripe.
the market needs a huge crash. it should be good for it in the longterm..

Robust? It crashes all the time - even discounting gaming (which tends to put the most strain on a system and lead to the most conflicts) XP is incredibly unstable for word processing, web browsing, etc etc. The only reason I use it is because I have to in order to play games.

It is business, because that's what they're trying to accomplish, in the name of starting up a company and getting money for it.
Pssh, it's a vague term, you don't have to start putting all this nonsense into it, yeesh calm down.

EDIT: Stop calling me "kid" that's seriously insulting, and if you think age defines what I can and can't stay on these boards when it relates to opinions, you are seriously being a complete a**hole.

normal buisneses do not monopolise as it is toally illegal. so saying what microsoft do is just buisness is pure bs as they are quite clearly (to anyone with half a brain) monopolising, which is not *just* buisness, it is monopolising, do you understand what this means yet kid or do i have to keep explaining?

they break the law but they have enuff money to do it.
law dont mean sht when you got billions in the bank you can pretty much do what you want.

age makes a huge difference. you could have an i.q of 200 but without life experiance chall dont know f all, and if you are wondering why im not like putting up with you then just look at what you say. i first became aware of you after reading the laser squad thread and kids like you really nark me off. that review was awesome and you managed to severly upset an adult (and a pro writer at that) with your pointless childish remarks

you stop acting like a kid i will stop treating you like one

oh and in case you dont understand

monoply = not normall buisness practice

clear enuff for you yet?

@beef
i dunno man i guess evryone has there own experiance with any o.s. i find xp pretty stable. i can leave it on all week, (ie 24/7) and mb restart it once, its only when i start playing with games that arnt desighned for xp that i have crashes and even then it just crashes to desktop, rather than the dreaded days of the *blue screen of death*
having said that i have hacked my reg to hell and back.
so who knows, if you have a nice officail version with all the updates mb that is the problem, or if you have a hacked version and you havnt prevented it from connecting to microsoft (pretty much evry element of xp phones home if you dont prevent it) that could be the problem, is hard to tell without intimate knowledge of your setup man


back 2 the topic....
i still think old school games rule. dont matter to me if its dos, nes, snes, neo geo, speccy, commodore, whatever. and i like to think its because these games are actually better, but maybe its just a nostalgia factor, i dont think i can be objective when it comes to old games v.s new games.

Xp is more stable, especially when you have more than enough computer power to satisfy its needs.

@ Beef isn't it your job to yammer at omg for his terrible spelling?

@ omg The monopolization of the market is something the average corrupt business man wishes to accomplish. What you are thinking of is the pleasant thought of Entrepreneurship, or the quest to become successful. The dirtywork and management is what business is, and therefore monopoly is part of business. The whole way economies work is that you have something that someone else wants. It doesn't matter if no one else has, or ever will have, your item. In case you haven't noticed, most big corporate office people are. Look at Bill Gates, he bought dos from a guy for a mere some thousand and look what it did for him..
One more thing. It doesn't matter whether something is a normal business practice, or an illegal practice, but it IS a practice in the market. Watch your words...

@ Pigggy You have to remember that you are a kid. People who don't really care for other people's opinions will ignore you even more. Regardless of age however, your opinion will always be valid.

I'm not going to argue with some stupid subject.
This is what I mean - They did those things in order to sustain themselves.
In anyway, that's just business.
From dictionary.com
The occupation, work, or trade in which a person is engaged

They're engaged in that thingy they said, it's part of their trade.
I'm no business expert, but that speaks for itself, and just because you can't take a general statement or sarcasm/etc. It doesn't mean someone is wrong.
This pointless discussion is now over

I enjoy all the oldies, but the transition is difficult, I can only play oldies for a seperate period of time. i.e. I play Half-Life 2, I have to will myself afterwards to adjust to Ultima Underworld or System Shock.
It's also another factor when you bring in the fact that playing new games for a period of time, you start to adapt visually, then when you go back to oldies, it simply burns your eyes. :sneaky:

the discussion is not over just becuse you say it is child.
if you wish to continue to see monopolisation as being normall buisness practice thats your choice kid. you want to ignore facts its no beer out from my belly , at the end of the day it is your choice to think like that kid. no real problem for me, just a minor irritation, like a gnat i guess.
anyone who thinks microsoft are like a normall legal buisness, well my only reaction to that is to laugth hysterically, but then again you have already shown your colours as being a corperation supporter so whatever, just makes me laugth really.
maybe you will realise one day maybe you wont.
and your tiny little quote proves nothing. you could use that quote to justify terrorism quite easily.

as for your eye burning thing again that is obviolsy personall. i personally dont suffer this eye burning of which you speak but then when i was a child like yourself zx spectrum was hi tech. i could play the latest fps, but then have a sesh of chaos. its kind of like saying you cant dig doctor strangelove becsue you just watched the matrix....

Whoa. Since when was the issue of legality ever connected to the subject of normal business? Holy cow omg, you just jump to the defense like a little kid does, then you act like other people are a little nothing to you. If you two are gonna bicker at each other do it someplace else, stop filling up the thread heh.


If I still had my scrap computers I would play all of my favorite oldies on them. Who cares about the newest crap to hit paydirt on the gaming market...

WHY DO YOU ONLY LOOK AT THE WORD BUSINESS!?
WHY DO YOU NOT READ ANYTHING I SAY OTHER THAT WORD!?
You call me a "child" yet you ignore every major point! You ignore every single thing that should be listened to! It's like telling a kindergardener how to construct databases! You only listen to the most basic point!
I'm sorry, but I cannot possibly have any humane debate with anyone who acts that way.

As for the eye burning thing, it's more like watching a 90's flick then a 30's, it takes the eye and ear getting used to.

GAH! Just shut up.... you say you are done argueing but there you go again. Just ignore him man. Don't stoop to the other person's level and argue back. You both are acting like little children siblings...

Well I have a excuse, I am young, :D

What I hated about the C64 was it's lack of a hard drive, you had to boot everything off a disk and etc. severly irritating.

That you could never save....

Aw man, a power failure? You mean I have to start all over again on Rambo? Yes, the old days...

the y microsoft gets away with monopolising is it dose not every thing under the one name ... every company it buys out they keep their name and employers and keep on doing what they do best but ... they r just owned by microsoft .. and no ones the wiser its rather a very smart tatcit to use in big bussiness

i read evrything you said little piggy
but screw this,
you kid were trying to liken microsoft to a *normal* buisness
obviosly the issue of leagality is important becuse without billions in the bank a normall buisness cannot advoid issues of leagality with the ease that microsoft seem to.

if you think i am childish blastradius that is your ting . and i only jump at people who have jumped at others. (normally, depending on beer intake and stress level) you want to take microsofts side (and piggys) that is your problem. at the end of the day it is clear to anyone with half a brain that there buisness practices are pure evil man. i am in total agreement with evrything borodin said.

you can be a sucsessfull buisness without agressivly destroying your comeption. indeed i have heard it said before that markets strive on compettion, by tieing a market up you are just commiting it to a slow death.

so why do i even bother with this *dirty word* heap of bullshit
piggy if you are young as you claim you are child i have severe doubt that you actually owned a c64. (mainly becuse like, most c64's had TAPE drives, not disk drives) i begin to agree with the opinion that you are some older guys alter ego, on here to just cause sht cuase at the end of the day i have yet to see you do anything other than diss people and hijack threads. i really hope someone will give me your email adress and i will be sober enuff to dig out some tools...

and if you genuinly want to play c64 games (i doubt) and you ever actually had to put up with tape loading times (again i doubt unless you are some scary old guy pretending to be a child) (which actually i start to think is maybe true) then its called emulators....

(i wonder if you and indigionous IV are part of the same thing)

@skittles smart or evil?

To clear things up -
In South Africa, everything is technically behind, back in 1996 my dad owned a C64, and one of the crappiest PCs ever. When I came to the US I was amazed.

I am not siding with anyone, and once again you ignore my posts, I am not likening them to a normal business, I am merely saying they engage in business of some form.

I never jumped at you omg, I don't know where you got that, but you need to cool, how can a simple comment like "It's business Borodin" turn into this? This reminds me of fanboys arguing on a forum. Despite all these fancy words, what you're saying is no better than "OMfG U R G4Y!!1"
Therefore, I will ignore you, and try to stop spamming this topic with useless drivel long after the topic has ended.

EDIT: I have reported you, I am tired of your flaming, insults, and virus threats. I don't personally have anything against you, and I can understand a human's temper, but there is a limit.

omg ppl there is so much hate in this room ... wheres the love gone ... make love people not hate ... hate is the path of satan .... but piggy and omg so u know i had a amiga commador 64 and it had a floppy drive ... had two infact .... and had a seprate power suply box u had to turn on nd off and yes just too many bits and bobs for me ... thats why i like my 256 less parts

@ little piggy (where the hell is the big bad wolf when you need him)
if that was true you would have ignored me ages ago but you continue to post in an effort to have the last word, which i understand becuase at the end of the day you are human, and have an ego.
you never attacked me. you attacked strangelove. but at the end of the day if i see someone flame someone i respect i kind of have it in for that person for then on.
becuse i am human, and i also have an ego. (ie i like to see myself as a defender which i know is pure b.s but whatever)
but what really gets me angry is when people see practices like microsofts as being normall buisness.
becuse it blatantly isnt.
you seem really confused by the differences to the point where you are digging out the most pointless quote ever in an attempt to *defend* a point that you are now claiming is pointless.....
one minute you pretend to be really young the next minute you put on maturity, i really do begin to think you are some fat dodgy 40 year old.
oh and so what you are from s.a. i am english, but i didnt get my first pc untill 4 years ago. i had a speccy when i was a kid, becuse they were cheap as dirt, country dont make much diffrence, if you were from like ethopia or something then fair enuff, but the same divides are evrywhere. regardless of country. some people got all the tools from a young age some of us have to break our backs to buy them whatever, just whatever.
gaaahhh.
i was enjoying chatting about oldschool games...
but i cant let muck like microsofts practices are *just buisness* slide.

Yeah, that's about what we had.
I remember I still have Commando and Ultima.
Really nice boxed version of Ultima, the map and everything.

Not sure, but isn't it true that Ultima was the first boxed game?

omg he aint worth the waste of engery u use on get angery at him ... just be the better person and ignore him .... fighting solvs nothing ... look at all the crap going on over in iraq that is straight up proof that fighting solvs nothing if anything it makes more problems.

Yeah, that's about what we had.
I remember I still have Commando and Ultima.
Really nice boxed version of Ultima, the map and everything.

Not sure, but isn't it true that Ultima was the first boxed game? [/b][/quote]
i honestly dont know piggy ... all i know i my c64 had two floppy drives and stuff... it was orignaly my grandpars but well yea... he gave it to me and now he has whats considerd to be the lamborgine of p4's and i got his old p256

DOS was a nightmare on the early IBMs.

I had to ask my pappy to boot up any games.
It was worth it though. We had some really good stuff, and my Uncle would usually lend me some games, very old though, so it would work on our PC, Fellowship of The Ring, Death Gate, Pool Of Radiance, etc.

LOL yes i refuse to use dos ... wen it comes to games it it runs on windows then i will use it to some one like my self with lerning dissabillities dos is like tryin to write a programe... next to impossible.

Three commands I remember.

C:\
Exit
Dir

:sneaky:
As you can see, it isn't much, :whistle:

Oh wait,
Run

LOL well aint u just a smarty pants .... witch little piggy are u ... r u the one that lived in the straw house the stick house i doubt u r smart enough to live in the brick house ... (being a smart alik) (can't spell for crap)

I guess my straw house wasn't good enough.
Damn you DOS! Leave my tender flesh alone!

LOL LOL dos is evil ... im glad xp dont have that ... but unfortunetly the most my 256 can run is 98se :cry:

Dos wasn't so evil at the time now was it? Ahh....i remember when i was like 7 years old in like 1998 and used my aunts computer for games...nice box of cookies, with 3 cans of orange soda...playin defender on DOS. Man I mastered that game so fast. I still play it to this day. Then she gaves us a SVGA NEC computer with like 8 other shareware games. That was when i got my hands on Doom 1. Played it so many times. And Alien Carnage 1, along with like 6 others i can't name. Then i when traveling through the computer. Clicked on the wrong exe file, and BAM! Goodbye to the greatest PC games i've ever played. Then got my hands on this brand new old computer im using to play all the new and old games now. Which is the one im using right now to type this, 2 years later. Good times..... :angel: ......

Hehehe. Then, when windows came out, at least 3.1, you had to use /win to go back to "windows" which was very much like the operating system developed before Macintosh and Microsoft even had a visual os heh. I had a Commodore 64 as well, and its the only computer I have ever seen with a RF connector...


Oh, omg, neither of us were siding with Microsoft, nor were we saying that their particular business practices were legal or used in all instances of business. You seem to think that is what we are trying to say. Not all business is slimy; can you say the children selling lemonaid or girl scouts selling cookies are trying to monopolize their respective markets? Business is much to broad to place like that.
Like how I say all bad anime comes from some really bad sushi. I know its whoever's creativeness and whatnot... but just because my particular thoughts on something causes me to judge, doesn't mean you get to stand up a post like that.
You already said you were drinking... all I ask is that you read the stuff a few more times and slow down. No one feels like saying exactly what they feel and explaining their point of view in such boring yammering as this.

Moral of the story is, you can't do anything about it, so the rest of the matters of illegal functions going on in thier business is exactly that, their business. The last time someone tried to break up the CIA both the President and his brother died. (Jimmy and Robbie Kennedy, Robbie wanted to sick the mafia...) Who knows how powerful Microsoft truely is. And more importantly, what are you gonna do about it?

Skittles, do NOT get involved in this. Taking sides this early will only lead to bad blood between you and a lot of other people. Seriously, it happened before with a little chap called Indi (his real name was longger but I can't be arsed to spell it).

omg, they did actually get fined a large amount by the EU not so long ago, so they're not above the law.

And I don't personally see what's wrong with their working practices. Fine, they own basically all of the western market, but that's because Windows is stable, fast and gets a lot of support for it.

You don't see them complaining about the East's more common use of Linux, do you?

Also if you use the old-school start menu you actually save something ridiculously high, like 30% or something of your CPU's energy.

Plus it's huge and its functions are pretty rubbish.

Just to add my two cents worth to this billion dollars fight : if i was forced to take sides i'd side with omg on that issue. I think things went way too bad between him and Pigggy, but i really think Microsoft (and other too huge companies) is the enemy. And i think the reason omg was furious, was not so much because Pigggy or others, side with microsoft, but because they don't feel threatened by it and don't think it's dangerous. I might be wrong, but i really think the reason this fight started was because omg was pissed at seeing young guys thinking : microsoft does things both illegal and immoral, but hey ! It's just business.
Time for ugly comparisons : it's the same kind of "i know they're bad but i don't care as long as they don't come here and burn my house down" attitude that let many an ugly regime (as the one by guys whose name started with na and ended with zis) come to power. Not because it was widely supported by zillions of active fanatics, but because it surfed on the moral laziness of zillions of regular guys.
That said, i hope things cool down between the two of you. If not, feel free to flame me i'm 100% fireproof ! :max:

I believe that omg has left. That's a shame really.

Oh and the Nazis got into power for a variety of reasons, saying that the German populace at the time was lazy is amazingly naive.

Also, what Microsoft do isn't really immoral, you can try to get your software out (Linux, for example, is on pretty much every computer in China) and they're not going to stop you, but if it's not as good as theirs then people won't use it.

Most people simply can't be arsed to type in a lot of code to get, for example, Linux working as well as Windows. It might well be just as good, but as long as the general public simply want things to be easy for them to use the Microsoft are going to lead the way and indeed the market.

Not yet.

And for the germans, it was just to pick a recent exemple, no bad blood here. And i said morally lazy, as in bad things happen, i know it, but i don't act. If you believe they were all blood thristy nazis, you're even more naive than me. Many bad guys lead entire countries not because they are full of evil people but because the people look at the good side of things and turn a blind eye on the nasty part. Just like most of us (and yes i honestly include myself in the lazy ones) let Africa die and don't think twice about it as long as we get some cool games to play and a good little life. Just as we let big companies become more and more powerful because after all it's just business. I decided to not have children a long time ago because all this "it's not my problem, and i try as hard as i can to convince myself that it's not even a problem" attitude makes me think the world of tomorrow will suck big time. I may be wrong, and i hope i am. :(

Urmm.. all the german people wanted at the time was a secure government, Weimar had done very little good for quite a while, nothing was getting past. In a way, Hitler actually helped the country by shaking it up a lot.

Also they didn't get told about most of the really bad that happened Kristalnacht, for example, was obvious, but the extermination of the Jews wasn't told to the public, who only found out in 1944 when the German army was starting to fall apart and a lot of secrets were found out.

Anyway, all I was saying is that they're not going to stop you starting your own company up. You can say 'Not yet' and close your eyes and ears to what's really happening, but if you want to use Linux or Netscape or Firefox then you can, they aren't going to stop you doing that. You'll be losing out though, apart from with Firefox. That's great. Windows is still an excellent OS and nearly every program is made with Windows in mind.

Also, deaths in Africa aren't caused so much by us not caring, they're caused by people actively stopping anything getting done (thanks a lot, Catholic church). You can vote for whoever you want, but as long as the general public cares more about themselves then nothing is going to get done.

The vast, vast majority of people think that they're OK, but they're not. With the problems that're looming over the horizon such as what the USA will do with Iran (if they invade it then they're screwed. They'll just nuke the USA) and indeed Korea (the same, plus it'll be another Vietnam war on their hands) then the public is in for a bit of a shock. Plus whatever Tony Blair'll do (probably go along with Bush) then the populace of the UK is in for a surpise.

But anyway what the world needs is a leadership change. I'm not really in favour of people like Tony Blair who basically exploit the population's fear of change and xenophobia to win their campaigns. At least he doesn't make the pretence that God guides his actions.

Ruling a country based on a selection of fictional tales, written by a selection of people over thousands of years with literally zero current cultural value? Nice one.

That's like me ruling a country with its morals based on Harry Potter. Ugh...

the problem is there is nothing the little man can do except refuse to buy microsoft, but hey how many of us here can honestly say they paid for windows :whistle:
the problem is they will always make huge money through corperate networks. but they are slowly losing out cuz with a linux distro u jus buy it once.
as for my strength of reaction to the kid saying microsoft is just buisness, if he had actually read what borodin had taken the time to write and understood it he wouldent have made such a smug little remark.
@vazdru but yeah you are right man. that is exactly what annoyed me like you are saying its almost like looking at hitler and saying "oh well its just politics"
(i could not post when i have had a drink but then i would rarely post, i like a couple of beers in the evening's but occasionly when i have had more than a couple it can lead to posts that i regret, but i dont edit them out from existance becuse a: it feels like cheating b: it reminds me not to get to drunk )
i actually like you analogy of comparing the rise of nazis to microsoft, LOL. zieg hiel mein bill gates, the thing is all we can do about it is to not buy microsoft, but then if you buy a game developed for windows dont they pay microsoft to develop for microsoft p.cs?
back in the days you bought a computer and it worked. this is i think a part of the reosen for nostalgia, my zx speccy worked, i turned it on and that was it. i could copy code out from books and not need a compiler to get it to work, i didnt have to wait for the o.s to load. and sir clive didnt go around trying to stop competition using fromt companys and dirty tricks. it was a simpler time. of course my speccy could not play movies, and to connect it to the net would have taken a hell of a lot of hassell, but there you go, times change, but as pc.s get faster and faster and yet another version of windows is announced i start getting nostalgic for the days when i could just turn the dam thing on and it worked instantly.

I can honestly say I've paid for both Windows 98SE and Windows XP Home Edition :)

My dad paid for mine, but then he's an honest chap like that. He's into abandonware though.

I didn't pay for mine. But it's not because i lead the holy fight against Microsoft, but because i lack the money. As a matter of fact, my entire computer is made of bits, scraps and leftovers from my (richer) friends computers. They keep me connected so i can come and bother you guys with endless bickering ! :Brain:

Well at nearly $100 for the UPGRADE of Windows XP, it a bit much for even me and I have a good paying job. I understand it is an important product, but they ensure it only last for two or three years, and I mean $100 bucks... that's 2 or 3 games!!

Of course, I am just cheap, but that's beside the point. On the other hand DirectX allows for some awesome games! No more DOS extenders, no more EMM386 configuration, spending hours trying to rearrange upper memory blocks so you could load the mouse driver high.

We could all still be playing Atari 2600 and asking each other "Is that blue square my guy or yours?"

(It was cheaper for me to buiy a new PC, with XP, than to go buy XP at the store)

I can see why people might want to use OpenOffice or whatever instead of Microsoft Office (it's pretty bloody expensive for starters), but as far as OSs go, Windows is the best, full stop.

The best? I sure hope not. Then again, I'm not computer-savvy enough to be able to switch to anything else, so I'm stuck with it anyway.:(

People will argue the case for Linux or whatever, but I personally can't be bothered to type coding in for six hours to get an inferior version of MS Word working.

On the other hand, fair play to you if you can be bothered. I'm sure that it's way more customisable and probably uses a lot less CPU power than Widnose.

We could all go back to Microsoft Bob! :w00t:

LOL if we did that we would only be helping i guess u could say a real life version of darth vader .... LOL ..... now so u all know i never take sides with no one history has taught me never to take sides look at all the wars .... italy teamed up with germany in ww2 and the germans stab them in the back and invaded them ...same with the soviets and the ppls of eastern europe soviets liberaited them but stayed on insted and made things worse then the germans did but i will give it to the soviets they never picked on one indavidual group they picked on ppl as a whole ... what am i saying .... sweet jeus marry mother of josphe ... im a communist and yet im bashing the ppl i support excuse me while i bash my head against the wall in punishment. :wall:

I bet youd get your a$$ kicked saying that at the street where I live. :whistle:

I bet youd get your a$$ kicked saying that at the street where I live. :whistle: [/b][/quote]
hahahahah well i live in a domorcay and in a domocracy u can support what ever politcal agender u wish ... and wen the fire rain comes and kills us all will all this bull crap we r talking at the moment even matter .... wen we see the four horsmen will any one really care ??? but to make it more clearer for u since u r singling that litle bit out that im a communist yes im a COMMUNIST castro is by far one of the best politcial leaders i have ever seen better then ur bush any way ... least he dont go startin muck then wen the bombs have finnished falling come and see the damage he has coursed .... castro would be at the front lines fighting with his brothers in arms .... his fellow communists..... so yes im a proud member of the cpa ... (communist party of australia) but i also be a juggalo thug/scrub i be a underground freak show in other words... *clears throat* for more infomation on juggalos and the underground community please feel free to consult ur local juggalo or nearst juggalo messaging board.... thank you i hope u have enjoyed urflight with juggalo air please put your tables in the upright and locked possitions.

At least most of us can spell properly. Geez, don't shame our democracy like that...

I would have to say that the united states is more of a corporate republic, for those of you who have played Activision's Civilization: Call to Power. Stupid behind people. This isn't a democracy...

Oh man, that means I'm in the same country as this individual :blink:

hahaha call me a dummy all u like ... but u all know that the usa will get its just deserts one day cuz of its agressive ways...

The US has nothing to do with you being a dummy or not.

Well, this is a load of spam. Communisum, the US and who's the stupidest. Methinks, close!