Should we care about it?

Should the books like this one have it?
(thanks to dizzy for this image)

What do you think?

LOL LOL LOL :tomato: LOL LOL LOL

How many stinking religion threads are we going to have? This one reeks of atheist anti-christianity. I know it'll blow up soon.

Anyway, that sticker is not serious, its sad how stupid some people are.

Come on Indi! I'm christian and i'm defending my religion in this forum, but i don't find that image so offensive!
It's amusing, LOL it's only a joke!

LOL

Still, it's been done before and it's just going to annoy somebody.

HA HA HA HA

:cry: LOL :cry:

omg that is the greatest pic ive seen yet LOL LOL LOL good find but i hate parental advisorys its annoying yet helpful if im looking for a music cd i always check to see if it has one becuz i want it to be not cut out or screwed with i hate edited music :tai:

I am completely in favour of parental advisory stickers etc.

Hmm maybe on CDs with pornographic videos, but lyrics are ok to leave stickers out for.

And Indi, how was your time away?

@Prejudice: well........since you asked: very fun, a wonderful reprieve from life. Saw amazing sights. Glaciers, mountains, wildlife. I saw tons of Puffins! (my sister got this adorable stuffed puffin, I should show it to puffin the member) :D

Yes, I did think about my behavior earlier. It hurt a lot.


About parental advisory: I don't really care about PA, cause my parents deem me mature enough to pretty much do or see whatever I want. Which is nice. I don't complain.

I didn't like that bible sticker though>>I am rather religious

Yeah, OTOH it does contain all of those things.

They should put the same on all of Shakespeare's plays too.

i have seen ones like that before. is well funny though becuse that damned book needs a health warning on it. it makes intelligent people turn into nutters.

I for one have never seen a pic like that..and being a christian..whether it is a joke or not..I find it highly offensive.

I'm not going to go into it though...but it is offensive....*shrug*

What's so offensive about this picture?
It's true.

Kids.


Come on!

Christians are Christians

Atheists are Atheists

Everybody else is Everybody Else




So what are we gonna get from arguing about it? Just a lot of bans suspensions and warnings.


I think its offensive. You don't. End of story

Heh. I'm definately not a kid. But yes, I agree with you. Wasn't arguing either, just stating my thoughts on it.

We're all kids when it comes down to it. Any kind of debate (IMO) is childish.

I participate in them, I know. But I have an excuse>>I am a kid :bleh:

Parental advisory is cool when the (aforementioned) parents are good advisors, it just sucks when they aren't. Which would be about 50 % of them. So all in all parental advisory is not affecting the balance of the universe. :Jesus:

i find a truth to that pic and if anyone else doesn't they must have a gun to there head and are being forced to say its offensive

but can't you find the smallest tid bit of truth i mean, it does have all that stuff in it?

hay omg your right it has made genius people nuts like brian(head) from korn he went to a institute to get off drugs and what not and hes now religous :ranting: and quit korn to be in a christian rock band but hay addicts are addicts and now hes addicted to religon :ranting: :tai:

The christians never said that part of the pic wasn't true. It's probably the "fiction" part that's most offensive.

But as stated before this shouldn't be a debate..fighting over it just shows ignorance..unfortunately..the world is full of ignorance :)

well the book the bible has been lost in translation so many times i dont know what to beleive :eeeeeh: :ot:

back on parental advisory i sorta look at them now and say haha i have even seen shirts that say parental advisory but the shirt wasn't that violent or bad just a normal red shirt with that on the front

How do you like my cell phone?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/koht/fpa.jpg


So many poorly labelled albums/movies, restricted to underaged people, just because they have reality inside.

Life's a bed of roses, keep believing in that kids :ok:

Fiction...? I mean, c'mon, it's GOd's word, we got it DIRECTLY from some guys that lived several thousands of years ago, and it's only been translated into a few other languages before our modern ones. What other proof do you need?

How do you like my cell phone?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/koht/fpa.jpg


So many poorly labelled albums/movies, restricted to underaged people, just because they have reality inside.

Life's a bed of roses, keep believing in that kids :ok: [/b][/quote]
I don't :P

But...to each his own.

very nice lethe :kosta:

IMHO if you believe that debates are childish is just well stupid.How can you think that. Sharing your oppinion and verbally bashing someone who disagrees with you is childish. See and your a prime example of why i hate my ex-gf and most other really believing christians They put a bubble around themselves to peoples oppinions who disagree with them on religion.

No...I didn't say debating is wrong. Debating is life, and it's healthy. I was referring to bashing and insulting each other..acting like children...as already mentioned before. Anyways...*shrugs* Glad to know you hate christians :P

I for one don't actually "hate" them. I just think they should have their mental health checked if they actually believe all the stuff in that book. :angel:

Heh..wonderful. It's such an accepting place around here.

we're not all like this (still agreeing with chuck) this is just the abandonian way we have opinions and we like to express them :D

hay shifter i notice you joined about a year ago what made you come back was it the :cheers: or the :Tom:

I come here all the time..I just used to not post much..I'm always pretty busy, having that wife and dern kid :P

I've always loved the place..in fact I talk to one of the site admins via IM all the time..helped him out in making Abandonia Reloaded..well not helped witht he actual site, but in making some of the CSS. This after he saw a site I made (but never used..which is http://shifter.ensellitis.com/)

:ok:

How do you like my cell phone?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/koht/fpa.jpg


So many poorly labelled albums/movies, restricted to underaged people, just because they have reality inside.

Life's a bed of roses, keep believing in that kids :ok: [/b][/quote]
How believing in having parental advisory labels make someone against reality or supposed reality? Poor sarcasm aside (roses), why shouldn't there be any such labels? They are obviously not affecting your views on what is good music for example, unless of course you are under age and are pissed off that you are not "allowed" to listen to watch something. And since everyone who wants to warn someone that something might contain words/etc that could be not the most productive for kids is obviously a fascist trying to hide the truth from the kids, you are propably right! Or maybe not.

I couldn't care less about *meep* the parental advisory screen on your phone. That is your opinion.

for one thing if i buy a cd with a parental advisory i dont buy it cuz ooh i might hear a bad word i buy it cuz i like that music and because the ones without them have cuts and loud beeps over the ''bad words'' some of my cds dont even have them because they dont need them and doesnt stop me from listening to it, also a matter of a fact my parents look for the ones with the parental advisorys :bleh: LOL

Does anyone give a damn? If a person wants to listen to ceritain music, one will find a way. Underaged or not. I doubt there are many in here that can't download (illegal as it may be), or burn cd's. And hey, if you can't, some of your friends must be able to! Too bad I'm not 18 and can't buy it. Well.. I'll get it for free!!
I'm not reccomending people to download instead of buying, I'm just facing reality.

One question (that I won't see answers to before I leave town anyways...):
Do stores in other countries really give a damn about it? If a 10yo walks to the register with a cd marked Parental Advisory, does the clerck say "Nopes, sorry man, you're too young! Now go home to mommy!!"?
I've never heard of it happening here, except with video games that get lots of media coverage, like GTA. Some angry feminists were bithcing in the news about it, so the stores tightened the security concerning it.
Some of the staff in those stores are even younger than 18 themselves, heck, younger than 16, so it's not like it's hard to buy it anyways.

Now my point of view.
I think this is a good thing, but it's impossible to follow stricktly. It's a good sign of "status", if i could say so. So it won't surprice you :bleh:

Anyways... I'm late.
Bye!

Nah, not that. It's just that, yesterday before posting that I had just watched a beautiful movie rated R for saying "sh1t" a couple times. Many of the great movies that should actually be given in school are rated somehow because one or two words, a more violent scene, or just trying to hide human cruelty.

Example: "Schindler's List". My 9th grade history teacher actually took the movie to classes. That was the most touching movie I ever saw, and it was still rated R. For what? One scene of sex without any nudity, obvious scenes of violence (that actually happened in history) and giving an insight to a war. I suppose we shouldn't teach kids nowadays the cruelty of the human race, they should grow without such movies so they can grow old without knowing why those concepts are bad. Heck I was 14 at the time and that was a great lesson in life, rated or not. I for once loved the fact my teacher screwed over that.

As I said I am in favour of any such labels. I do agree that there must be further discussion as to what triggers such things. Though I agree the teenager(s) will have (usualy) no problem either buying or getting illegaly the songs/movies, I still don't think it should be a proposed solution about the restriction. But, it does look like their parents are either ignorant or just lazy to do some freaking parenting. I remember when I was a kid if I ever even thought about doing something illegal like stealing (because it is stealing) something, I would get some serious eh talk and not do it again. NEver had to, but I knew it was always there. Plus I was constantly told what is "right" and "wrong". Do today's parents even try on this?

About Puffin's question, here in the UK I think they are enforcing the rules more or less to the letter. Though I can't be certain since I am far from a teenager, they do for other things like magazines,smokes, alchohol, so my educated guess says they do for that too. Back in Greece (where I am from), they were more relaxed, for example a kid can go and buy all of the above without any problems since he/she is trusted that is buying them for her/his parents etc. About music, I don't even remember if the cds there have any such labels on them. Of course there aren't (or weren't anyway, I don't know now) any heavy cursing and when there is, it is not seen as a reason to put a label on a cd for that. Come to think of it, the words that are used like hmm they will propably be beeped here, muck, *meep*, lady, bitch are the most you are going to get, when rarely you do, any since are part of everyday life, what is the point of placing restrictions on cds/movies about them?
But also nobody gives a damn about the words, where for example in the UK if you are having a conversation with a stranger or something and you happen (not to them) to use the above words you are going to have "looks" and perhaps more.

I would be interested to know what is the situation with labels in other countries too.

I agree with parental advisory... and about the reality inside, parents and adults can tell it to minors, whom will see/hear it directly later... it doesn't seem a great problem to me...

@ shifter:
Oh, I DO accept religious beliefs. I just don't agree with them. If someone claims to be Napoleon and can't be reasoned with, I accept that, yet I'd advice him to see a doctor. Same for people who talk to burning thorntrees or tell about goat with multiple heads and hundreds of eyes that make blood rain from the sky and of course the people who believe them :bleh:

@ parental advisory: The true problem is not, that shops won't sell these records to minors, who'd be somehow "left out" off a lot of music, but that many stores won't even bother to sell CDs with that sticker in the first place, because they're oh-so-concerned about their moral- and family values... Of course those same values would never stop any shopfrom selling war-toys and the like... :sick:
By this practice, "parental advisory" basically functions as a sort of censorship by harshly limiting the means of distribution. And I don't think we need to discuss about the wrongness of THAT now do we?

USA is one of rare countries that follow the PA and movie ratings.

For example, my brother was not able (without my help ;)) to see American Pie in Movie Theater, because he was under 17 at the time movie was released.

You can't get M rated games or R rated movies in rental stores or media stores if you underage.

Same goes for alcohol and cigarettes.

From this example country, I don't see those PA and movie/game ratings do any good.

As for first post, of course it was joke. None of that stuff on the label is true! :D

(I believe that all 'holy' books should have label like that. That might make this planed much more better place to live on ;))

The labels are more to protect the companys anymore from getting sued it seems, similar to Tobacco warnings I suppose. Not that anyone ever pays attention to them that really wants the product. With all those silly lawsuits though its just better that they put the stupid label on so people don't get Grand Theft Auto and confuse it with Captain Bible or something. (That last part was a bit sarcastic just to warn ya)

In fact the labels usually serve to make a game more popular, just like if a politican talks about moral outrage about a game it helps it sell more copys. When I design or write stuff I always hope that someone in charge will find it offensive and condemn it because it gets more people to buy it. Who really listens to the moral issues a politican cares about anyway. Those that do aren't the type of customers you want anyway. :)

we have even watched copied DVDs in an english lessons. plenty of sex scenes in those history films... better then paperwork..

:eeeeeh: wow really the U.S. is quite uptight bout that stuff like they have never seen it before i just picture politician walking arround with the buttcheeks together ranting about todays society and moral values

Oh its all a joke really....they do it to get some people to vote for them by taking a strong stand on video games or a Television show. Not much you can do about people that want to get self righteous other than get them to vote for you.
It is obnoxious though, instead of people being parents they want the censors to do their work for them.

But most publishers like the attention of some overpaid political figure bashing their product as it will get you a bestseller. Appearing as a rebel against the authoritys is a sure way to get some sales- and both the politican and the publishers know it pretty well.

Take Bob Dole for instance...he used to always point out how evil something was based on sex or violence...after his politics career ended he became a commerical spokesman for Viagra and flirted with women about 1/4 his age- he would of called for the commerical to have been banned if he was still trying to be president :)

At any rate its safer to be morally outraged at a game than it is to have a real political issue to fight about- if you want to be elected

Being a christian myself, i have to say that is waaayyy over the top. I once had a sticker "This item is prepared for 2000" on my Bible. But that one is :wall: !
Parental Advisory is OK, but I don't think CDs with explicit lyrics need them.

Heh, that sticker reminds me of the Hitchikers Guide to the galaxy....."and so the missing page was found...."all things in this book are fiction and any resemblence to real live people is purely coincidential."
Ummm...I'm all for PA, even if it meesn I can't get a lot of games, but, I wouldn't want some lil kid going around playing GTA because his parents didnt know anything about it, even tho theres pictures on the back...

It's a useful tool to help (responsible) parents control what their kids are exposed to.

Wasn't that "The following is fictional..." joke done in Red Dwarf too?

Yes. Yes it was.

What can I say :ok: :D