Might and Magic 4 and 5 - World Of Xeen
 

Feel free to comment and discuss this game here. Also, if you have any useful tips or tricks don't hesitate to share them with the others! Thanks!

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Yay, i was waiting for this one...

Ive played part 6, and was really surprised what a nice game it was for its age.

So, now i can play part IV and V.... ty :D

Heya guys! I have the World of Xeen manual on a pdf, if you guys'd like it. I'll put it on the FTP site under the MrBackAlleySka folder, and if yeh want it, it's freee to grab and upload to the site, if you don't want it, you are free to delete it ^^ It's 10.something MB's

i think part 6 is best in the series :ok:

:kosta: Thanks abandonia! :kosta:

Thanks ill give this a go later ;)

Thanks for the offer, but I had some trouble uploading a copy of the manual, so Kosta is uploading it a little later...when he can.

Enjoy the game!

Looks good from the screen shot's ill download it later :w00t:

Well this is one of the best game I have never played...

Great game, I highly recommend!

Hm, it might just be me, but it seems to lock up on both intro screens. The game plays just fine otherwise, and it's no biggie. But both intros freeze in VDMSound, and DOSbox. The music continues, but animation stops on "Dark Side" and on the "Clouds" intro, the animation keeps going, as if it's waiting for something, butesc. ends it, and it just sits there doing nothing. As I said, no biggie, but does anyone else get that?

Wheee...! World of Xeen has finally arrived! To me this was one of the best RPG's ever made. And these (parts 4 and 5 in combination) are the best parts of the whole series! I would recommend everyone to stay on the "light" side for some time, however. The dark side is much more challenging and very lethal for lower class characters. Highly recommended! :ok:

MrBackAlleySka - maybe its because of the sound driver you chose, for example, when i choose Roland it freezed inside the game, and had several crashes, so unfortunatlly, i had to use soundblaster and enjoy the great music in SB quallity.

about the pdf, i have already uploaded one, and its probably the same, so if you didnt upload yet. dont bother, i can speak for the site so its from myself, thanx for trying to help with the manual anyway

Some Tips: When you will be able to cast day of protection and day of sorcery, do so,
Its the most important spells in the game

If you want to change your party dont hesitate to pick any class and race you want, all is good! for example, i didnt have a Sorcerer in my party, my archer played a sorcerer,
and what an amzing party i had!, but dont take it to far, you need a spell caster for sorcerer spell, and its highly recomended to have a cleric, or at least a druid. (Im not sure if a druid has Divine intervetion, that is a life saver spell and it is wery important, espetially if you want to finish WOX).

Definately the BEST in the series, it'll keep you busy for months...even if you cheat!

Okay, fist thing first before I decide whether to download or not, is the combat system real time or turn-based? If it is real time, I'll most likely download it. If it is turn-based on the other hand, I think I'll probably pass this one 'cause I play so horribly with turn-based.

EDIT: I did a quick check on Quandary and found their review of the game here: http://www.quandaryland.com/jsp/disp....jsp?index=239. Yep, it is turn-based so it may not be my cup of tea, but I figure, what the heck, I'll probably download it anyway for the sake of collecting instead of for the sake of playing.

Finally! Ive been looking for this game! Thanks!

By the way...should i upload Might and magic 3?

is the combat similar like in Ultima underworld? or more like in Eye of beholder?

it's like wizardry, turn based..

i played world of xeen many many years ago, anyone knows how to beat the dragon (i don't know what it was named, it nearly instantly kills your characters and makes them unreviable) in the clouds? you have to cast flying to get there and it guards a trap-door..

Oooh! I LOVE you guys!

Excuse me, I've got to play this goldie once again. :w00t:

trisha_x: when you cannot beat it... try later. And get high resistance against its attacks (electrical? I dunno). But most likely you will have to get a few more levels on your side :P

Game loads fine... plays fine. But as soon as i Hit the ESC icon
after talking to anybody it just freezes. First time was in the ironworks
then the adventure training :(

Wow, I've played M&M VI a couple of times and some of my friends told me that the World of Xeen is actually even better... and now here it is, I can test it myself... thanks:)

:bleh: COOL! The old mightnmagics are so amazing!
thx abandonia! ive played 5 6 7 8 9 but i think the older the better!
i hope itll run on my pc.

Besides: why does everybody hate turnbased games ?
often theyre the better ones!
tztztz :hairpull:

i had the same problem with my 386 (7 years ago)
The reason were wrong sound settings

I don't suppose you know where else to get the manual? I can't open pdf files (don't know why) and I'm stuck when I try to leave the city ....

You can download Acrobat Reader for free at http://www.adobe.nl/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

This will allow you to read pdf's, and there's no time limit to the program's use or something.

i had the same problem with my 386 (7 years ago)
The reason were wrong sound settings[/b][/quote]
Incorrect sound settings or sound drivers is probably the #1 issue when it comes to playing these classic DOS games. In 1995-1997 I worked tech support and game testing for a large gaming company in Austin. The first thing we would do is attempt the no sound option in the game to see if the problem goes away.

If you ever have lockup issues in games run setup and try no sound.

BTW - great site! I've found many classics that I've added back to my library because many of my old floppies are no longer good.

LO

Ok cool ill try no sound, thanks guys


edit : soundblaster voices are crashing the game, but music works so turned of soundblaster and turned ON soundblaster PRO for voices and works now... thanks guys ;)

I love this game, been trying to get it to run forever. Heres to hopen it works :cheers:

Awesome find!! I picked up MMIV, V, VI and VII in a compilation pack years ago and, without question, World of Xeen is hands down the better experience. I can't express how much fun anyone who downloads this will have, especially once they take their team over to the Dark Side of Xeen... beware of Barkman!! :Titan:

I'm not a rpg fan, but if this game is as bright, huge and colourful as it looks then no doubt I'll be enjoying myself for a long time :)

Great game, thanks for uploading. :ok:

I'm using XP, but the game runs fine as long as i turn the speech off and set music&effects to soundblaster pro. However, if i buy a drink in the tavern and then press "tips", the game freezes. Only issue so far.

this games good but for windows i have might and magic 9 or some thing it has good graphics (like world of xeen) but i prefure my version

OH MAN! Big thanks for this game!
I loved it back in the day.

For it's time it not only had outstanding graphics but a great plot.
I have an old system that I keep just so I can play these older games.

Wow.
I can't wait to play this again.
:ok:

Glad it has been put up. :ok:

One thing I wonder about: This version is, as far as I know, joined from the stand-alone games IV & V. I read however, that World of Xeen has been re-released as a bundle about a year later and contains some extras, like extra speech. Can someone confirm that, and how much has been added? Is it worth to track it down?

this game is really one of the best rpg's ever.

but by the way has any1 the other parts of M&M and could upload them?

greetings

Thankyou SO SO Much for this! I loved this game! Thanks!!!

I've read somewhere about a game called "Sword of Xeen" - I suppose it's not the same as "World of Xeen", is it ? :blink:

I havent heard that world of xeen had another version, its possible but i think it doest change a lot.

i know MM3 has two versions and im trying to get a hold of the second because it doeest have the brother quest bug.

swords of xeen is a massive expantion to MM5 it makes a huge world that is about the size of world of xeen.

i will upload Swords, MM2 and MM1 soon with a review.
when ill find MM3 second version ill upload it too.

great :ok:

This game rocks, but I'm having some trouble matching the manual and the words required to enter some areas, do you need the manual from the seperate game, Clouds of Xeen or what, because I cant seem to get it to work with the manual posted on the site

if you operate the game trough the file go.bat, you wont need to mach, just write something, and the game will accept it.

Smae problem here. And I tried checking if it was by the page numbers on the pages themselves, if it was by actual page number (picture and intro pages counted also), if maybe the blank lines between text lines were counted, and even typing some random answers in. None of the methods worked. So I can't leave the initial city. Tho I admit I haven't tried pure dos mode yet. (I've got a w98SE/Dos dual boot at 200MHz for old games)

Ashes -
did you check my reply? i said (in a message above yours)

or try the game with the dosbox. i use it and it works !

Here's a tip

If you make your characters in Vertigo ( or anywhere in Clouds of Xeen), they start at level 1
But if you make them in Castleview ( or wherever you want in Darkside), they start
at level 5.

BTW, if you drink fountains in a certain order, you might gain benefit from all the fountains that gives you permanent bonus ( elements or charactéristics ). I remember that if you mess up by drinking the fountains, most of them won't give any permanent bonus. I'll check my notes just to make sure I didn't made any mistake for the fountains.

My computer is to slow to handle DosBox, and since it is a win98 machine, with a separate dos install for pure dos mode, I should be able to do it without DosBox.

Also, I have tried all the combinations I could think of starting with go.bat, starting with xeen.com, starting with xeen.exe, starting with xee.exe, running it from dos so I could type in the sequence of commands that were in go.bat without actually running it, and running mm5crack.com before doing anything else.

And in each of those different startups, I ran through the complete sequence of password attempts listed earlier. And I did the whole sequence three times through just to be sure I had tried every combination. I have tried to do this as thoroughly as I could so my results would be helpful, but as I haven't gotten anything other than the knowledge that the crack doesn't seem to work on my computer, I'll give it's specs instead.

pentium 200MHz, 160MB ram, 20GB hdd split into 1.99GB dos partition and 16.6GB windows partion (since they always overstate the actual drive size), LS120 laser floppy (120 3.5" floppy drive that is hardware driven instead of software and completely reverse compatible all the way to pure dos mode and can use regular 3.5" floppies also), 52speed CDRom drive, 8MB legacy 2d video card, legacy sound card simulator card (newer tho still legacy but simulates 5 older legacy cards), 10/100 network lan card, and 56k modem.
And I dos is my prefered OS when working on my computer, as it's the one I know the most about with win98se coming in a distant second, so this is unusual for me.

Yeah...i love this Game...
I think M&M IV and V, btw World of Xeen is the best Game i have played in this Time.

:D

See u in Neocron...

This is a great game but I'm completely stuck. :-(
I can't figure out how to get the key from the Golom dungon(sp?)
I've tried every combonation with the levers in the 'Home of Iron' that I can think of but still no key. :(
And where is Crodo?
The elf holy book? ......ugh I'm so lost LOL.

Ashes thats strange i i put in the crack and it made no problems, any way if you have emule i can just give you a link to mm4 manual..

about the golem dangeon,in the wood you have to use some magic to pull the lever and get out (ill let you guess by yourself what spell it would be)

in the iron just try some combinations until you will get the result the statue asked (notice the statue dident ask all the rocks to be released)

and in the diamond just pull the levers randomly untill you make a clear path to head on..

hope my advice will help..

You are my new favourite person.. ever, I'm half way through Might and Magic 7 when I decided to come back to the site to see if they had anything good and I see World of Xeen... WOO!

and the news of the rest being uploaded?

Better than an orgasm

if anyone has still problems with the crack-> There are all keywords:
http://www.hqscansorg.org/

you should, defintily.. an M&M 6 too.. my favorit.

whats the differnce between game type adventurer and warrior??

the number of hostile creatures you encounter makes the difference... :Titan:

(in response to an earlier post)

Only way I've ever been able to kill the mega dragon above the trap door on the cloud road was to start a 2 or 3 person party (instead of the normal 6 person one). That way by the time I've done most of the areas in the game, my characters would be at least level 200, with all obsidian equipment, more attacks, more spellpoints, instead of about 120 or so with a mix of equipment. Still a really gruesome fight though. Absolutely the hardest fight in the game by far... Have to put a lot of $ in the bank and rest a lot for interest to accumulate in order to afford that many levels...

Best thing about it is, megadragon is still there even after you beat the darkside. So there's always a really tough enemy available.

Is there a way to give items from one character to another?

Mark the item with the LMB then right-click the portrait of the partymember you want it traded to.

For some reason, that file won't load.

I think sword of xeen is much smaller than world of xeen. Three towns was it? but more spread apart? Remember it being really hard though.

Helloooooooooooooooo,

Might & Magic : World Of Xeen is the best game of the whole saga (only Might & Magic III : Isles Of Terra is nearly as good). I played MM6 & MM7 : not bad but they lost the humour and the colourfull graphics of WOX.

They are 4 different versions of World Of Xeen :

- World of Xeen - floppy edition - no speech
- World Of Xeen - CD edition - speech & sound blaster 16+waveblaster support
- World Of Xeen - CD edition from Interplay RPG Compilation
- World Of Xeen - CD edition from Might & Magic Millennium Collection

It seems the last one has some issues running under DosBOX. Otherwise the other versions runs fine on a Pentium IV - 2.0 Ghz under DosBOX with full music, sound effects & speech.

I really hoped when they released MM6 it would be as good as WOX but I was greatly disappointed. Too serious. Bad choice of colours.

I have a PDF of keywards for MM3-5. Also, I run XP and can run Xeen with sounds and voices but no music; however, I can run it through DOSBox at a snail's pace with music. Can I get speed and music, and, if so, how?

-EE

Hi all
I'm impressed by the site, you guys rock. I can't believe ya got World of Xeen, even with some voices, thats great.

I have a little question, rather stupid, how do you save the game? :crazy:

at the bottom of the main screen there's a purple (?) icon (like a jewel or so). If you click on it, you're in the options menu.

Sowords of Xeen is M&M3 I think

No, M&M3 is called Isles of Terra. I think Swords of Xeen is a fan-made addon, judging by the quality of it and the amount of reused graphics, I at least had that impression. Black Mage, correct me there if I'm wrong.

The Web is our friend. :D I got this off a website devoted to the Xeen titles:

"Worlds of Xeen is essentially one game, but due to some arcane marketing or production deadline issue, it was originally released in two parts: Clouds of Xeen and Darkside of Xeen. There was also a short add-on released later called Swords of Xeen. Today, all three of these games come bundled together and are installed simultaneously, so you can access all the areas in the game just as soon as your party can physically reach them."

So Swords of Xeen appears to have been a legit add-on from New World Computing, the original developers and publishers. Never heard of it before, myself.

Hello, I've almost finished clouds. There's some things I still don't know how to do.. maybe someone can help.

-can't enter the tower where there's snow, the 2nd one west of newcastle.
-can't enter the tower in the lava lake.
-can't enter the southern sphinx
-can't enter the 2nd temple, north of temple of yak.
-unable to set the dials correctly in nightshadow.

Also, id like to know if it was possible to save the mirror after killing lord xeen.

Hope anyone can help..

Nope, I read on some other website that it is a fanmade addon, the fans did ask the devs of the original for allowance to use the original textures and graphics etc to create a new game, so they made this one, at least that's what I've read.

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So we have Dueling Websites. In any case, could we get an upload of Swords of Xeen?

Umm... Swords of Xeen is a seperate game. Much harder than world of xeen but a lot shorter and is not Isles of Terra. This game was made in 1996 or around there.

There were 3 real towns I believe... Hart, Sandtown and Impery. The game takes place in the world of Havec. It was obviously a beta though as some quests were unsolvable. All the pyramids (the ones you can transfer b/t worlds in world of xeen) were broken. There was a sky platform also, a large desert with talking rocks, an underworld that was just 1 map screen, a fire area w/ a spaceship but no castle like in worlds... and armadillos.

Man I hate those guys...

THANK`S ABANDONIA!THE GAME WORKS FINE WITH DOSBOX (NO SOUND). I AM STILL AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME, BUT SO FAR I AM HAVING FUN. I EAVEN PUT THE GAME AND DOSBOX ON MOBILE DISK (TWIN MOS) THAT I CAN PLAY THE GAME AT WORK AT THE NIGHTSHIFT.TO BE AT A AIRPORT UNTIL MIDNIGHT THAT SUCKS (SPECIALY WHEN IT IS NOT WEEKEND), BUT NOW I CAN KILL SOME ORKS AND MAD DWARFS,SO THANK´S ONCE AGAIN ABANDONIA TO MAKE MY NIGTSHIFTS MORE INTERISTING. :Titan:
BY THE WAY, I RETURNED THE WHISTLE(WHICH I FOUND IN THE FOREST FULL OF UNDEAD) TO THE NPC SOUTH OF VERTIGO (ON A SMALL ISLAND, USE THE JUMP SPELL), HE TOLKED ABAUT STATUES THAT CAN TEACH CURE POISEN, BUT I NEVER FOUND THE STATUES?
THE MAD DWARF KING (IN THE RED DWARFE RANGE MINES) IS A PAIN IN behind, BUT SLEEP AND AWAKE SPELLS HELPED.

Hi guys

I am realy a Fan of this game but i cant Download it :( whats the prob error message could not find on server help me pls.

THX anyway

You seem to be correct there. I'll PM an admin.

Hellchild, please TURN OFF CAPSLOCK. A MESSAGE ALL IN CAPS IS VERY UNPLEASANT TO READ!

Edit: The filename differed from what it was supposed to be. It's been fixed now.

No one else has really reported problems.. but for me the downloadable PDF with the manual doesn't seem to correspond with the game. I've tried for a long while to try to get the proper password from the manual's text but.. it never seems to work.

Hi.. I can't get the right pasword from the manual too.. Can somebody explain to me in non computer terms what I can do?

Thanks

Warrior just has more combat, that's all.

I've been attempting to run the game with VDSM sound. Intro plays fine, however, if I escape past it, or let it finish, the game changes to a black screen. I can hear the music playing in the background but nothing happens. Just a blank screen. Any suggestions?

This game is way cool !!!!! I played it when it was released (part 4 that is) and then again 6 years later. I could'nt play it when i went to Windows XP but now, thanx to the wonderful DOS BOX I can play it a third time. I still love it § Thank you very much Abandonia. And thank you guys who still go to hell and back to play thos old Dos games, deliberatly living in the past, but making me feel less of a freak. Bye !!

To address the intro freeze, escape freeze problem mention in the previous msg.
Please have a try running the install.exe from DOSBOX, then hit 'Y' to save setting.
This will save the sound and directory settings and generate a config file, after that the game should run as normal (atleast for me).

Just an ingame question for the experts who have completed the game, in Castleview Ellinger's Tower Lever 1, there is no way to get to the top half of the section, but it existed (use wizard eye). Anyone out there knows the way to get into that section?
I've try using Jump and Teleport with no luck.

This is one nice game... I love Might & Magic 6... but that is beside the point, can you upload the first three, the console versions aren't very good, but the PC ones are pretty cool, also Darkside Of Xeen and Clouds Of Xeen on they're own would be good as well. Thanks.

This game (or these games ?) is a killer. More than 10 years after its release it still kicks some mean behind. Let the warrior in you get his fill. Play it !!!
:Titan:

Just a personal note : the word i used in my post was not behind, but some big brother politically correct entity changed it. That sucks, but the site is so cool I won't make a fuss about it. No hard feelings. :sniper:

MMm ellingers tower. I believe once you enter the tower there is a mirror that asks you a question, something about "your lord told you to kill a barbarian bandit, you fought him he dropped his sword, do you wait for him to pick it up, or slay him, etc"

Answering different gets you into other sections. I answered slay him and got into the top section, probably answering "let him pick up his sword" gets you into the south section. Im guessing you can only do either or, not both.

World of Xeen is 2 parts, actually

Might and magic 4, clouds of xeen and
Might and magic 5, darkside of xeen


The only problems in the game are what some other poster said, going into TIPS in a bar will crash the game. Also I ran into only 1 other crash, when I was in darkside, journed/recalled to a place in clouds, then town portaled to rivercity, i crashed.

Also, a bug in the game, any item other than armor that is made up of material (like medals, amulets) does not give AC bonus's, thus are worthless to wear.

Example. A Obsidian medal. Obsidian on armor gives +20 ac, obsidian on a medal gives... nothing. Thus a steel medal and a obsidian medal both do absolutely nothing. I found this out sadly half way through the game.


I LOVE THIS GAME! LOL man Might and magic was one of my early all time favorite RPG games, now i get to play it again.

Thank you for uploading this wonderful game. It was really the game that got me into the rpg genre. BTW, if anyone knows the password to the console on the bottom level of the dungeon of death, please post it. Also I never figured out what the traders were transporting between the elements on the skyway. I think those are the only puzzles I never solved.

Here are a few tips for anyone newer to the game.

Archers and paladins are just as effective as their sorcerer and cleric counterparts, just with half the spell points, but they are much better fighters.

Age permanently affects attributes, so use wells and spells to restore health and sp instead of resting whenever possible. Your autonotes records every fountain you come across with the attribute it enhances.

Druids are nearly worthless imho. Choose a class that can cast the better spells. Rangers are fine if you need a jack-of-all-trades though.

Beware of sky golems. I used to have nightmares about them untill I was a higher level.

Thanks again for this great game. :Brain:

Hi! I'm having problems to play this game. When I talk to someone, when I press the button to go back to game, the game freezes. Anyone has/had this problem? Solutions anyone?

Yeah. If you're using DosBox, you should try different settings for sound effects and music (like two different sound cards). It worked for me after a little fumbling.
:huh:

Yeah. If you're using DosBox, you should try different settings for sound effects and music (like two different sound cards). It worked for me after a little fumbling.
:huh: [/b][/quote]
Thanks, that solved the problem. :)


BTW, i've solved the first quest, and have about 6000 experience points. In my stats, it says I'm eligible (to level up). How do I level up?

In every town you can find training grounds (just like there are taverns and shops and guilds) where you can level up for money (and time, each stay in the training grounds lasts one week). Be aware though, that each town can only raise you to a max level. In the first town it's level 10. So you have to find new towns as you progress, otherwise you can't level up anymore.

This system is a lot like Pokémon (the Gameboy game). At the start your Pokémon can only get to level 20. If they get higher, they disobey you. This is why you should have multippple Pokémon at your side instad of the one. To let them grow igher you must get Gym badges, in each city until you have eight. Once you have them all Pokémon up to level 500 will obey you. Even though it only goes up to 200.

I finished all the dwarven mine levels(1-5), and i found the word that probably leads to the dwarven king.But the cart won't move
The word i found was aipha.
Could you guys tell me what word have you used to reach him?

In every town you can find training grounds (just like there are taverns and shops and guilds) where you can level up for money (and time, each stay in the training grounds lasts one week). Be aware though, that each town can only raise you to a max level. In the first town it's level 10. So you have to find new towns as you progress, otherwise you can't level up anymore. [/b][/quote]
Thanks! :ok:

Alpha. :bye:

LOL, ok thanks :)

yes i also want to know how to lure the bat master out of his grave(i.e. how to arrange the sun dials)


PS Sorry for the double post but it's the first time i play this gem :angel:

What's the big deal? The answer is given to you directly in the game: set all the dials to 9, and click on the coffin after dark.

Yeah i found out, but not in-game.There are two tombstones which hold clues:
One that says something like '' at night there are many foes to fight '', and one that says '' cat lives ''.I figured out on my own that one of the dials had to be set to 9, but i didn't knew how to set the others.And besides there was a tombstone which said '' stitched live '' i think.I didn't knew what that meant.

Perhaps your version has different hints than mine--I played it quite a while ago, when it first came out. You were actually told to set all the dials to 9.

Okay guys, I could'nt get the codes from the manual to work.
I also read about using the GO but it did'nt work either. Can someone post the
names of towns close by so I can warp out? maybe that will bypass the leaving town questions. Please help. I loved this game when I bought it in 97, and I still love it. Unfortunately I never got the chance to finish it and I would really like to.
Thnx again for the game.

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The secondary spellcasters (Paladin, Archer, Ranger) also pay extra to learn their spells. If you intend to use them for spell-combat, their relative lack of magic points can quickly become a very limiting factor- the best spells are, of course, very expensive to cast, and some of them have their casting cost and power based on the caster's level; those spells could very rapidly outstrip the meager allotment of a secondary caster. I would recommend taking along a Ranger; they're pretty good fighters, and the Ranger/Druid group has a couple of unique spells that can make life a lot easier (The one that sticks out in my mind is Water Walk- I've played Isles of Terra a lot more recently than World, tho, and Water Walk is practically required in Isles.) In a normal six-person group, I'd take along at least a Paladin, Cleric, and Ranger; although you can get by without the Sorcerer spell group if you really want to (try it for a challenge sometime. Me, I wouldn't want to have to get by without Wizard Eye and Teleport.), healing magic is completely necessary, and this gives a pretty good supply of both healing spells (2 people who can cast the full supply, and one who can wake up the other two if they get knocked out) and fighting ability.

About age: The game shouldn't last long enough for normal aging to cripple your characters. However, some monsters have the ability to age your party. Mostly undead. If you suspect you're facing these monsters, save. Save a lot. I don't remember if World offers anything like Isle's Fountain of Youth; if it does, you can afford to be a little more aggressive, since that will remove any monster-induced aging. If it doesn't, treat age-making monsters like they're instant killers; if your characters get stuck with an additional 300 years distributed throughout the party, they'll be pretty well useless.

Okay, I'm having some rather strange problems getting this to run in XP. With VMDSound the game works through the intro, but freezes afterwards or if I press Esc. I tried turning off the sounds, but that didn't help. And DosBox won't any of the .exe's. When I tried running xeen.exe, I got a simple, inconclusive error message: "Failed". Any advice?

i played this game years ago at a friends house. we used to stay up playing this all night. so happy to find it. :D i was searching the internet for it when i found this great site. ive been looking for this game for like 3 years now. so happy. :D

My story is very similar to that :)

Played it at a friend's house years ago... we played it together actually, one guy move's the other clicks or something, and talk our way through. Either Xeen or Loderunner have to be the first real computer game worth mentioning that I ever played.

I randomly searched for the game and Google + Abandonia = heavenly gift!

Now to complete this wiht the remainder of my summer (i've beaten 7 and 8... 9 was so boring somehow)

My story is very similar to that :)

Played it at a friend's house years ago... we played it together actually, one guy move's the other clicks or something, and talk our way through. Either Xeen or Loderunner have to be the first real computer game worth mentioning that I ever played.

I randomly searched for the game and Google + Abandonia = heavenly gift!

Now to complete this wiht the remainder of my summer (i've beaten 7 and 8... 9 was so boring somehow) [/b][/quote]
Decided to post here, eh? Nword. :bleh:

x_X Yep, one guy moves, other guy clicks. That's how it's was, is, and always shall be. And yep, Might and Magic 9 is really boring for some reason. Glad someone got this game uploaded here, as I never finished it.

--> :ot: <--

if it hasn't been mentioned elsewhere:

To come out of Castleview without having to answer the questions you just have to go through the sewers ... I got it with some kind of game magazine and just went though the sewers, until I got Portal that is.

Just to send out a big thanks to Omuletzu, that jpeg was a life saver, the otehr stuff wasn't working. ;)

How do you catch the chest in Castleview? It's been so long since I've played this game that I don't remember.

PS. Swords of Xeen is a fasn made game based on Darkside of Xeen. When I bought the Might and Magic compiliation years ago it came with Swords of Xeen and in the documentation it said that Swords of Xeen is a fan made game. I don't think it was ever finished though. (If I remember right)

The World Of XEEN is a Great Game.....considering how long ago it came out. It's sad that 3DO went belly up. I loved all the Might & Magic series. :cry:

Thank You.

It wasn't 3DO that made the World of Xeen. It was New World Computing. Jon van Caneghem, the CEO of New World Computing, sold the company to 3DO in order to secure more funding to increase the size and complexity of his titles--a deal with the devil, such as Garriott foolishly made with Electronic Arts. The head of 3DO unwisely took the Might and Magic series away from the NWC team after the eighth game had mediocre sales, and gave the ninth to a completely untried team that had never released any games, before. M&M9 was a bomb, and deservedly so. From everything I've heard, Trip Hawkins (3DO's CEO) was a person who could never trust anybody to do anything; he had to make all the decisions, and only he knew what games people would buy. In the end, it appears that people weren't interested in the games Hawkins wanted to make.

Thanks for the info. and the correction. :bleh:
I still loved all the M&M series.

While talking of Richard Garriott (a god .... that man made the best games ever - I speak of course about Ultima 7 and Serpent Isle) and John Van Caneghem (a mighty god too...) you should read an article about them here :

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_...410/ai_n7180539

they now work together @ NCSoft

Erm... am I the only one who's stuck at the very ending of the game, unable to answer the elemental guardians in the cloud world? I've done all the other requirements to complete the 3rd and final quest, but I can't seem to find a clue to the answer anywhere in the game, and even in the walkthroughs available over the net (which mostly are the same one copied over and over) it isn't mentioned, as if the awakening the guardians thing didn't involve a riddle.

Also, my 2 cents about the game: even though I enjoyed the game imensely (I hadn't played it before now, and spent many days doing so), I felt there was a weakness in the rythm of the game that spoiled it a bit. With all the XP being thrown around (500k experience being given as if it was going out of style, and all the +3/+5 permanent level gains), I found that killing all but the toughest monsters quickly became a matter of unworriedly clicking away at the mouse. Maybe that's just me, cause I went around a lot doing all the side quests trying to advance in the main plot, but I reckon that's not somthing uncommon if you are not playing with a WT, right?

Also, that damn 3rd quest about uniting the worlds feels hugely like something that was thrown in the game afterwards, it felt very anti-climatic, didn't it? After you've killed pretty much everything that breathes on both sides of xeen, you go make a few quite automatic errants (except for that damn elements riddle...) and then it's done. Felt like the developers felt the need to throw in something extra for the reissue, and quickly slapped together just anything they came up with in a hurry.

One other minor point that did't seem to get balanced right was the ratio between XP and money: what's the point in dumping all those XP on you without enough money to train? I raided all the dragon hoards I could and so on, was quite a scrooge at the shop, and still finished penyless with "eligible" status fo training (at around 105th level overall).

That's what happened to me too, when i first played it. Now i put all my money in the bank (interests make it grow pretty steadily) and hope to overcome that problem. As for the elemental riddle, can't help you there. I know it can be done because i finished the game 6 or 7 years ago but i don't remember how. :blink:

*Possible spoiler*





I don't remember the guardians needing you to answer a riddle. It has been a while since I played this game, but are you talking about the 'Merchants of the Elements' on one of the cloud roads, or the 'Element Sleepers', which require you to fall through holes in one of the cloud roads. (I'm not sure which world these are in, Clouds or Darkside)
The Element Sleepers are the ones you need to talk to, and you just need to speak to them to awaken them.
If you want to know the answers to the merchants' riddles,

Between Fire and Air - Smoke
Between Air and Earth - Dust
Between Earth and Water - Mud
Between Water and Fire - Steam

-Seraphon

Old news. What's saddest, and not mentioned in the small piece, is that Garriott and van Caneghem are just rehashing the same kind of MMORPG fare that's already around elsewhere, these days, via NCSoft. I didn't necessarily expect better out of Garriott, because he was always convinced that his way was the only way to do things, but van Caneghem has some original ideas that he's never been able to do. Perhaps in the future--if he gets a chance, in this modern gaming world ruled over by huge corporations.

Yep, I meant the Elemental Sleepers themselves: when you step into the holes, you are asked "what do you seek", and I couldn't figure it out. But nevermind, in the meantime I tried it again, and turns out the reason why no one mentioned it as a riddle is that the answer is so straight-forward and obvious that it hardly qualifies as a riddle. So obvious, in fact, that I overlooked it as a possibility, the answer being simply each element. :bleh:

But tks still, the tip about the merchants did help: I was curious about them, and figured that the idea was a cross between the elements (as in the para- and quasi-elemental planes in old AD&D 2nd edition setting), but didn't get to figure what exactly the crossings would be. :ok:

Ok, so, I finished MM IV & V, now where do I d/l MM VI? ;)

I have a problem that says theres no "expanded memory". How do I fix this?

Are you playing through DOSbox, or launching it through Windows--and if the latter, what version?

Hi all, I'm having some problems installing World of Xeen from the Might and Magic Millenium edition CD.

I'm trying to install the Clouds, Darkside, and Worlds of Xeen option.

I tried installing it and it recognized my XP as NT and wouldn't install. So I went and explored the drive my disk was in and changed as many .exe files to compatibility mode 98 and it managed to install. Running it is of course another story. I knew it wouldn't run in plain XP but I tried anyway. Wouldn't even boot up the xeen.exe file after installation.

So I turned to the mighty DOSBox but that didn't turn out too well. I installed it through DOSBox picking all the recommended options but when I try to run xeen.exe it will tell me that there is no CD-ROM or something, and I do have the CD in the drive but I don't think that's the issue.

Can anybody who has gotten this to work help me out or direct me to a place that can help?

AAAAWWWWESSSOOOMMMEEEEE!!! :w00t: My most fav game of all time!! and definate best of the series!!! i cant believe i found it.... or you host it... or whatever :D I have the same problem with hanging on the intros.... but it also happens to me if i use the tavern or any of the guilds..... any ideas?

????

Any one know where I can get MM3? I loved Worlds of Xeen, but I've finished it. Never did complete MM3, would love too. Me and my brother spents hours and hours playing Might & Magic. It was great.

Also i'm having trouble getting World of Xeen to run. After the intro I get sound but no picture. i'm using VDMS with soundblaster 16. Any suggestions?

Cheers

Thr33why

A stitch in time saves nine.

What is considered the standard though? warrior or adventurer mode?

:help: I downloaded this game but was unable to install it,it says i need a floppy which i dont. If anyone has any insite that would help it would be greatly appreciated[ive downloaded this game but am unable to install it. it says i have to have a as i have wanted to play this game forever. :tomato:

How are you trying to run it? DOSBox?

Im not sure Im pretty new to my computer and im not sure exactly what i have to do to get it to run on my computer.Im not really sure ,what is dos Box? Thanx for responding

:help: I tried To install dosbox as per the tutorial howeverwhen i finish and try to start it up it boots up into Z\: and not C\: as i think it should. I have xp and am new and totally confused. could someone please shed some light on this for me if you could that would be great. thank you :cry:

It's normal that DosBox boots on Z:. Let's take an example. Let's say that you installed World of Xeen in a directory named Xeen, situated in another directory named oldgames (where you store all your oldies that need DosBox to run) on hard drive D:.
On the Z: prompt you type mount c d:\oldgames
The DosBox will then confirm that your virtual hard drive c: is now indeed your oldgames directory.
But the Z: prompt is still here. So type cd c: and you are on c: (which is really d:\oldgames, as you and i know, but the computer is fooled). You can now go to any of your old games. For xeen, type cd xeen (or cd whatever game directory's name, for another game). Once you see the C:\Xeen\ prompt you just type Xeen and here you go.

I hope this was clear. :blink:

So in case you haven't noticed you need a little Dos skills too. And then if you finally manage to launch the game, you'll probably experience sound problems. We'll talk more if it is the case, but one step at a time. :D

Play it in warrior mode.

Trust me.

Also, I have a question - Has anyone figured out how to edit the characters yet? I don't mind rolling, but I am lazy.

Nevermind.. I figured it out.

Now I can give my characters whatever stats I want via a hex editor.

Yay!

Speaking of which.. if anyone needs any cheatmods done to their characters stats, let me know. I can make them young again :)

you can contact me at austinwichita -AT- aohell dot com

of course, no spaces, like so.....

....chita@aol.com

THIS IS NOT TRUE !!

I have play this game under pure WindowsXP without ANY problems - even wtih sond and movies !!

Just give the "Xeen.exe" and "Xeen.com" 640kb of base memory insted of default "Automatic".

The problem with running the game this way is that some of the timers are completely off.

:ok: So I figured out what’s going on with the game.

You might want to print this out so you can refer to it when you’re in DOSBox.



First of all, create a folder called dos in c:

Run the zip file you downloaded to install World of Xeen

When the unzip program asks you where to unzip the files tell it c:\dos\

Now open up My Computer and go to c:\dos

Single click on the World of Xeen folder

Press F2 and change the folder name to WOXeen



This is the end of the setup in windows



Now go to your start menu and run DOSBox

Press ALT+Enter to make it full screen

Type in the following: mount c c:\



Now type c:

Now type cd dos

Now type cd woxeen

Now type install

Press y to install the game

Now you should just have to type go

You can press ESC to skip all the intros



The game should launch fine and all should be good





Hopefully this works as it should… it worked fine for me on my computer. The reason you were getting the memory error is because you were running the game from windows and it was totally skipping any of the DOSBox features that you installed

Ack! I meant to quote the guy above when I did this. i meant.... the problem with running the game in XP mode with the memory settings on all the files set so that the game thinks it has enough memory, is that that doesn't account for the in game timers for alot of things.

So... playing the game this way messes with some of the timers.

Having played and owning all 9 games in the series (bought them all) I know that 4 & 5 are the best. Note that they are also the easiest. I'd rank from easiest to hardest (4,5,7,8,6,3,9,2,1). 6 was really good, but it needed the technology upgrade provided in 7. Alas, 7 was not as strong a game and 8 had bad sequalitis. 9 was horrible I'm sorry to say, between the graphics and the interface. As for the early ones, 1 was far too hard. Often the first combat would kill a lvl 1 party. However, 2 got a little easier and had nicer graphics. 3 was really good, and paved the way for the best one (two?).

To confirm what nearly everyone has said already: Swords was a 3rd party expansion pack that was included in the collectors edition of M&M 6. World of Xeen was Clouds of Xeen + Darkside of Xeen.

I would have posted copy codes, but they're already up. Also, I can upload the others if people are interested, though 6 thru 9 are considered off limits because they are still sold occasionally (Check around on ebay to find them cheap). Don't want 3DO breathing down my neck. Not to mention that the games are huge.

Hi. Hope I'm doing this right. Just downloaded world of xeen, and it brought back some memories.
I did have trouble with the "password protect", and from other posters, I'm not alone in this. The manual doesn't jive with the instructions.
Anyway, I used a bypass file from an old Clouds of Xeen and it works fine.

I also have a savegame utility that lets you modify all character attributes, plus gold & gems.

If anyone's interested in either or both, email me at signemrs@netscape.com and I'll send 'em on to you.

Mike

Here is my compilation of what various attributes will do to your armor/weapons/accessories.

One of the most common mistakes is that people assume that the attributes are the same for ranged weapons. This is not so. Unfortunately, I do not have a comprehensive list for ranged weapons. That is one area I am lacking as I noticed this disparity late in the game.

Here is my list.

SP
Spell +4???
Mystic +5???
Castors +8
Witch +12
Mage +16???
Archmage +20???
Arcane +25???

Does anybody know if it has the turn based mode of the other Might and Magics? I can't seem to find it...

Turn-based? Yes, it is.

the best is might and magic II..... and MM3

Hey I bought this game a few years ago, but the sound never worked. I just downloaded this abandonia version and dos box. I can get everything to load, but everything is really slow and skippy, but the sound at least works. It takes a minute just to get past the opening dragon-bug scene. I tried the frame skipping, and the ctrl F11 and F12, but I can't get it to get any faster of smoother. Any ideas?

Fantastic Game - reminds me of The Bard's Tale 1,2 and 3. for the Apple 2. Just wondering though :blink: ... how can I turn the music down (or off) in the Intros for World of Xeen ... the one where the lizardman is walking thru his castle and looking into his crystal ball... I can hardly hear a word he's saying because the music is so darned loud.... I can turn the music off in the options submenu, but then I can't return back to the intros...

Also I cannot depart vertigo ... like other gamers, I've typed 4 or 5 letters for the password and "INCORRECT" keeps popping up. (YES.. I've run the game using "GO.BAT") :tai: IF I had enough gold, could I purchase a JUMP spell and jump over the outer City walls?

Lastly, (I've got a list here! :cry: ) how again do I transfer items from one player to another? I've tried discarding it and then having the other player search (as in heroes of Age of Wonders), but I guess item is permanently gone from game. I know your supposed to right click on the receiving player, but that's it.... :tomato: Any ideas out there??

In answer to your last question: have you tried highlighting the item, then hitting the number key assigned to that party member?

Hi,

i have my Might and Magiv V Darkside of Xeen "BestSellerGames"-Version but without the magazin :-( Ok, installing... no problems. Now i'm playing and then "keywords..." hmm... i lost the magazin on the years and now i cant play again without the keywords :cry: Can anybody help me ? The Readme says, on the last side were the keywords printed :crazy: Has anybody a copy or scan of this side or keywords for MM5 ?

Thanks

F. Roehrig

im so sorry... www.replacementdocs.com !!! THX :D

and the next problem... my MM5 is in german, the codes of www.replacementdocs.com dont work. Is anybody here, who has the german version + german codes ?

Gruß
F. Roehrig

I hope somebody can help with this. I'm running WoX on Windows XP Pro through DosBox 0.63. No problems completing everything on the Clouds of Xeen side. I've moved over to the Dark Side and have completed all the basic Castleview quests. I've got the key to Ellinger's Tower, but can't get inside without the game crashing. The cut-scene starts with the alien-looking girl saying I have the right key and then the game prompts to switch from CD2 back to CD1 and the CD-ROM tray auto-ejects. It hangs there, after loading CD1 nothing happens.

Anyone have a fix or workaround? Thanks.

Don't request esa games they are illegal. -punch

I'm on XP with a Sound Blaster Live! and I have a music issue. When I run Xeen via a shortcut without VDMSound, no music plays, when I run it with VDMS, the music plays but at about half speed, and, with DOSBox, the music plays, but the game is just so slow. What advice have you?

-EE

one of the best ever.. the whole might and magic series actually. although X was a complete rip-off. how did they dare produce that crap... seems to me to have been the end of the series. a loss to the world of gamers.

Go the DOSbox homepage, and check out the command for speeding up the game. See if that works.

one of the best ever.. the whole might and magic series actually. although X was a complete rip-off. how did they dare produce that crap... seems to me to have been the end of the series. a loss to the world of gamers.

I think you mean Might and Magic IX, since there's been no M&M X, yet. After M&M VIII received lackluster if positive reviews, Tripp Hawkins, the CEO of 3DO (who had purchased New World Computing, developers of the M&M series) decided to take the title away from van Caneghem and company, and give it to a group of programmers who had never made a professional game, before. They didn't release on time, so Hawkins (much like Lucasarts with KotoR2, and so many other recent titles) decided to release it, anyway. M&M IX was severely flawed, not only with plenty of bugs and rushed coding, but also at a fundamental level. It felt like there was a lot of glitz and next to no substance. M&M IX was panned, but by then, Hawkins had other worries on his hands. The said thing is that van Caneghem never got back ownership of his property after 3DO collapsed, and the people who are making a new Might and Magic title haven't contacted him. In fact, from interviews, it appears they're just cynically exploting the brand name, to make a title with no real ties to the originally gameplay.

i own this game from way back in the day(and can verify this with photographs) but I went to install it again the other day and some of the many floppies are corrupted :(. I can't find an english language abandonware version of it anywhere, can someone help me out?

This game may be one of my favorite games ever. If you have played it a little you may know who Barkman is. If you want to see his site and movie adventures, go to barkman27.tripod.com.
I own this game and it works without sound on my Win ME. I tried DosBox and everything works, but it is waaaay slow (imagine a tone of the music playing only once every 5 seconds.) I have tried everything about "speeding up games," but it just doesn't work. I think it's impossible with my comp, but that's ok. All I really want is the music. Does anyone know if the music is out online (midi) or how to extract it from the game files?

I'm in love with this game. Is there a way to install VDMsound? It says I have to be in an administrator user, but I don't have users on my pc, it just turns on and I use it. :wall:

You know what. Back in the days of 386's I bought this game. it was actually clouds of xeen i think yeah it was. It came in like twelve floppy disks, the really floppy ones. It never worked because I was a kid and didn't know how to adjust ems and stuff. But now I think i'm going to give this game a try with dosbox. So how is this game, is it like eye of the beholder?

I can speed the game, but eventually it becomes an exercise in diminishing returns. I can at least theoretically get enough cycles to run the game at a tolerable speed, but doing so freezes DOSBox.

-EE

Hmm...wish the download was still available for this. I own the Ultimate RPG Archives set, which includes all the speech and stuff, but I can't find the damn CD now and I'm dying to play it again!

It's cheap. Check Amazon or eBay.

I spent from 2am to 5am last night looking for the damn game, went to sleep, looked for it again today and I found it! I was pretty obsessive as far as finding it went. haha

Gah. I bought Worlds of Xeen in the Might and Magic Millenium edition. It is the CD version of the game...and I canNOT get it to run!

VDMsound just locks up with a blinking cursor.

Running in pure XP the game says I don't have a CDROM drive.

Running in DosBox, with MSCDEX mounted as the D Drive, I can install the game off the CD just fine. But when I go to run the game, it says I have a MUSIC CD in the drive! I DO NOT! I've got the bloody @#$@# game disk! :ranting:

I want to play this game something AWEFUL, and this is amazingly frustrating. I'm really not sure what else to do.

I also tried to run in on my old ME box, and got an error that I don't have enough memory, and that I need 0 bytes more to get the game to run :wall:

Can anybody tell me what I can do? Is there a way to make the CDROM version of the game not require the CD?

Would making my ME box into a 98SE box and going to pure dos mode work?

Trisk

I thought this was abandonware??? why do I have to buy it?? cant i download it?? i have the mac version from like 29870356879025 years ago.... best game ever btw.... some1 let me know where to get it plz ASAP

I see that Amazon has World of Xeen, Sword of Xeen, M&M VI and M&M VII, all packaged together, for less than $10.

FYI to anybody who might be thinking about purchasing a games pack to get the xeen games...

The edition that comes in the "Might and Magic: Millenium Edition" (This is the version you are recommending, Borodin. Not a good idea.) is the CD ROM edition, and I was NOT able to get it to work under DosBox, VDMSound, OR straight XP. If anyone has any idea how to get it running, please let me know. The problem has to do with the CD-ROM...

WOX can't recognize modern cdrom drives. Even with the MSCDEX wrapper loaded under DosBox, the program would bomb out telling me "There is a music CD loaded in the CD-ROM drive. Please replace with a Might and Magic CD and rerun the application."


HOWEVER, the good news is you can still buy, for cheaper, "Might and Magic VI: Special Edition" Which contains the DISK versions of ALL Might and magics 1 - 5, plus swords. These games are EASY to get running, both under VDMSound and DosBox.

This is how I ended up getting them to run. And what great games they are! :ok:

Trisk

The edition that comes in the "Might and Magic: Millenium Edition" (This is the version you are recommending, Borodin. Not a good idea.) is the CD ROM edition, and I was NOT able to get it to work under DosBox, VDMSound, OR straight XP. If anyone has any idea how to get it running, please let me know. The problem has to do with the CD-ROM...

I wasn't recommending it. I was responding to MrGrinch's question about where he could buy it. As to not suggesting it--I would think we'd do better to find out MrGrinch's Windows flavor before completely ruling it out, wouldn't you?

This might seem stupid, but I seem to have Clouds of Xeen and Darkside of Xeen, but for some reason the Darkside of Xeen won't link to Clouds of Xeen. Is there any way to do this manually? Thanks.

Am I the only one who will purchase a game to justify my piracy? Half the time you need to do some light of hand to get your game running anyways, it's just easier to aquire a cracked/hacked/edited version of the game, but I buy it anyways just to be an honest, law abiding pirate.

...but isn't that an oxymoron?

I played this game long time ago but i still remember my Dungeon of Death trip without any clues and with no knowledge of what awaited me there. After getting to the ultra hard "Lord Xeen production facility" level, killing all Xeens and destroying all Xeen machines you can type "computer" at the terminal to get... some sort of 'congratulations!' message.. That's all. Yeah, i was a bit dissapointed too. Years later i tried to find out if there were some other things to do in Dungeon of Death but found nothing at all about this.

As for the element trader's goods - they're trading mixed elements:
air and earth = DUST
fire and air = SMOKE
water and earth = MUD
fire and water = STEAM

I can't run this. At all.

If I try DosBox, it will either tell me that I have a music CD in the drive, or that the file that I am trying to run doesn't exist. If I try to run it with VDMSound, all I get is that annoying blinking cursor.

I'm using the Interplay RPG compilation version, if that helps.

Have you tried changing the low-level CD support? It's explained in the readme, BTW.

In DosBox? Yes. I've tried doing it with -ioctl, which is the only one where I don't get that annoying music CD message. Of course, instead of that, I get an annoying no such file message.

I purchased Worlds of Xeen, and tried installing it, and it says I can't run it on Windows NT, I have to install it on Windows 95 or 98, how can I do this?

Thank you

That's simple, and you said the answer already. Install it on Windows 95 or 98.

Hey fellow WOX addicts, I've been trying to get Dosbox to work for awhile now, and have finally got it! I just unplugged the joystick, and it worked much faster. If you are having a speed issue, try unplugging a resource demanding piece of hardware.
I have been playing Swords of Xeen (a spinnoff), just like it was meant to on DOS, and decided to try World of Xeen. I had the disk and everything, and put it in, then tried to play using Dosbox. It said I needed to mount the CD-ROM, so I did, and it still won't detect the disc. Is there a way to play w/o the disc? I remember trying to play the WOX I downloaded here (which didn't need a disc), but that was before I figured out Dosbox, and I deleted :wall: the download file. If there is no way to get the disc working, can I download the game again here, or was it taken off for good? Thanks.

The game might be back, but there is no telling when.

As for your problems with the CD:
1. Did you mount the CD as you would mount a hard drive? For the CD to be "seen" by DosBox as such, you need to use particular triggers in the MOUNT command (they are detailed in the readme file).
2. You might consider making a disc image. I remember that DosBox can mount at least some types of CD images as virtual drives.

Thanks for the reply. I looked through the Dosbox readme, and saw that there were several levels of support. I tried all 3 of them, and they haven't worked, but I could be doing it wrong. There is a tricky part of the command in the last two levels of cd-rom support which say "-usecd 0." Maybe I have to put in a number here.

As for the disc image, Does DosBox have a function where you can take an image of the disc, then use the image through Dosbox?

Yes, if I remember right you just give it the path to the disc image in the MOUNT command.

Who to make the world of xeen?

im trying but i just can't do it right....

TKS!

Extract both Xeen games to the same directory, Darkside goes second I think.

I have made a .iso CD-ROM image, and still just mounting that, it says I have a music cd loaded. Maybe it's something to do with the fact that it is from the Millenium edition cd.
Btw, I found a very cool site (the most detail of WOX): http://f45.aaa.livedoor.jp/~mighty/index2.html
The bad thing- it is mostly in Japanese! But by using babelfish, you can get most of the meaning out of it.

Shot in the dark, here, if anyone can help me with various problems I'm having.

1 - I have MM4 and 5, but, cannot get them to "find" each other or whatever to create the linked "World" game. Any ideas?

2 - When I run this game in DosBox, it works, but its slow, and there's no music. When I run it with VDMSound, the music plays, but the game animation is incredibly fast! Any solutions?

1. Pur MM4 files into a directory and then put MM5 files in the same place. Try running MM5. This should work... _I think_

2. In DosBox, change the soundcard emulation to SBPRO2 (instead of SB16) and increase the number of cycles DosBox is running at. Make sure the game's setup is configured correctly to match the emulated soundcard type and its IRQ, DMA (etc) values.

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Thanks, but I'd been trying number 1 already and it didnt work. I'll try your DosBox suggestion, however, I've never edited anything on it before LOL

EDIT: Alright, I finally got the games to recognize each other (When I put them both in a new directory I called C:\Xeen it worked). Even with some tinkering around, I can't get proper sound in DosBox. The game now runs perfectly in VDMSound, BUT....the music tempo is too slow, if this makes any sense. Is there any way to speed it up? If not I'll just deal with it cause I love these games.

Second EDIT: Actually now I've got it working near perfect in DosBox! So this'll keep me busy for a while, at least until my girlfriend starts griping that she's bored and wants to go do something. <_<

Just for the record, though, how DO I change the soundblaster settings like you mentioned? I'm looking at the readme for dosbox and I dont understand

The settings are stored in DosBox.conf file in the program directory. I suggest you familiarize yourself with working on it pretty fast.
The start menu DosBox cathegory also includes a link to DosBox.conf.

More on the config file here.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_fifth_horseman @ Jul 4 2006, 11:08 AM) [snapback]241420[/snapback]</div>Thanks I'd been trying to find a way to access the conf. file, I couldnt find it for some reason but there it is in the start menu. Now its perfect

I have a really evil nagging issue that, although my DL-ed version of the game has been working fine up to this point, is keeping me from proceding. Finding an online PDF of the Clouds of Xeen manual and aqcuireing Lloyd Beacon has allowed me to get by all of the "copyright protection" so far, and I can link between worlds, get sound working, etc. I've managed to get my characters up to level 61, and have gone to all but a few of the last locations in both games (and am able to take on nearly any enemy with ease). However, I recently (upon finally having enough GP to be able to afford it) returned to the Eastern tower to read the book of Great Knowledge (or whatever it is called), which gives each character "+5 levels (permanent)", but makes them lose all skills. Then, I excitedly teleported back to Shangri La using Lloyd's Beacon so that I could go to the guy that offers all secondary skills for 100,000 GP per character. Upon arriving at Shangri La, I saved for some stupid reason... that's where my trouble began.

Now, whenever I go back to the clouds of Xeen world, I am unable to move without using a teleport spell (I hear the sound of running into an object wherever I move), and all areas appear without walls or monsters, however objects like towns, tents, buildings, etc. are all still there (and usually accessable, although there's "nothing there" whenever I go up to the counters/podiums in Shangri La, the place I REALLY need to get to to get all my secondary abilities back.

If anyone can help me with this issue (without saying restart the game... please don't say that... unless that's the only option...) I'd really appreciate it. I had Darkside of Xeen when I was 8 (when it first came out) and my cousin and I LOVED the game and played it religiously and multiple times, struggling with the puzzles which now seem laughable and eventually reaching the final "battle" scene. We always wanted to have Clouds so we could really finish the game, and now I finally have it... Yay for the memories!

Okay, I went through the entire thread to reply to every question that I could answer that hadn't yet been addressed (or that I could add more detail to) and respond to a few things. The responses go from most recent back. I know it's a bit long, sorry... Also, I think the quoting thing isn't working, which might not be fun for reading...


I buy games that are still sold, and download games that are no longer published (anything N64 or previous, computer games 1995 or so or older). I'll probably end up getting one of the collections, but I really had a strong urge to play the game again, so I had to get it ASAP, and downloading is quicker than waiting for a box from Amazon or E-bay.

As for my DL-ing... I only play to try, I never keep anything I've DL-ed once I'm done with it, which I view as fair. If I like it enough that I would buy it, I will. I view that as fair, moral piracy. Afterall, if the company isn't making any money on the game (as is the case with abandonware and other things that are no longer produced), what's the problem? Am I the only one that looks at it that way?


Search some torrents sites for "World of Xeen" and you'll find a set of old PC games. That's where I got it. Unfortunately you'll have to have all the other games, but it's worth the wait. It also has DosBox in the pack, so that will probably save you time getting that.


Jump spells won't let you go through walls (no spell will give you that ability), plus, because each area is seperate, the only way to go from one to the next is through a designated passageway (for example, the door from Vertigo to the outside). If you Google -"Clouds of Xeen" manual pdf- you should be able to find it (perhaps leave off the pdf if that doesn't help). There's a game manuals site that I ended up finding it on, but I don't remember the address, sorry...


3DO went through Chapter 11 bankruptcy and is no longer with us. I don't know who has the rights to the old games, now, but you can probably find them if you know where to look (search torrent sites *cough*)


Dosbox is a dos emulator, which means that it makes your computer 'think' that it's running off of Dos, fixing many of the compatibility issues you might face trying to run many old games off of a computer running XP. I found it when I downloaded a set of really old computer games (including World of Xeen, which is what I got the set for to begin with).


Ellinger will tell it to stay still after you talk with him for the first time... just go into the room with the chest and chase it for a bit and eventually it will stop in the middle for you.


In Necropolis, the books of the dead will age a character anywhere from 25 to 100 years (while giving them lots of free exp). Fortunately, once you get the jewel back from... can't remember where it was, now... and take it to the fountain of youth in the south-east corner of Darkside, you can easily cure all artificial aging on your party. In Clouds, you have to take items between four druids, but that's much more tedious (although you'll need a higher level party to get the fountain of youth activated).


Deep mines = Alpha, Kappa, Theta, Omega


I don't think this was a bug. I think it's sort of like what you see in Dungeons and Dragons: the items are just intended as money makers. Afterall, we have valuable diamond rings in the real world that don't do anything useful, but are still extremely valuable, so why can't the game?


They're in the woods close to Vertigo... to the north I think, and west of the flute man (I can't remember exactly, right now...). Of course... you're probably not having this issue now...


Eye of the Beholder, but with GP, more NPCs (compared to Eye's severe lack thereof), and much, much longer. Think Baulders Gate's town exploration, treasure hunting, and questing, combined with Eye's first person style.

Is this anywhere that you can purchase a *download* of this game? My laptop doesn't have a working CD drive right now, so I don't think the millenium edition that is on the link will work for me. Or am I just SOL until I get a new CD drive?

A.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Jul 7 2006, 04:06 AM) [snapback]242050[/snapback]</div>You can find it for free, but because it's still sold, I can't tell you where to find it. Plus, the search is half the fun. I don't think there's a pay download, anywhere, otherwise, I'd be pointing you and my browser there right now.

My problem is only a very minor one, just an annoyance, really.

In the setup for the game, you can tell it not to change the volume. So far, so good. However, whenever you get one of the animations such as the one where you enter a city on Darkside, or the Red Dwarf Range, the game will still change the volume on the soundcard. Any way to prevent this?

:tease:

Maybe there is an interal options menu in the game itself?

Ubisoft got the trademark "Might and Magic" nowadays.
and hopefully they will do a MM10.

dunno, that option should keep the volume at normal lvls, or perhaps its something to do with dosbox, if it is on that you are playing?

i've played M&M V

But for me M&M VI is forever the best game i ever play :wub:

Never got round to finishing M&MVI, really.

Maybe I finally should do it...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Richard Veysey @ Jul 7 2006, 06:20 AM) [snapback]242045[/snapback]</div>Any thoughts on my problem (sorry, it's been a while, and the conversation seems to have moved on...)?

Redownload the game.

I was playing this game again and have started a new game where the party is Ranger-Archer-Paladin-Archer-Paladin-Robber. Every character can use a bow and is good in melee, and by having 2 archers and 2 paladins, there is still equal spell power to a party w/ 1 cleric and a sorceror (one arch uses spell missiles, the other casts Pre-combat-power-ups---like day of sorcery, power shield, wizard eye, etc. One paladin casts healing spells, and the other casts the clerical PCPU's). It's kind of tough managing it, but this is the most powerful party I've played as.

@Tranax the Earth Wizard

At the beginning it's nice if everyone can use bows but your party is very weak in melee.
A barbarian and 3 clerics will do far more melee damage than 4 paladins.
A barbarian and 2 mages will do more melee damage than 3 archers.

The reason is that barbarians get an extra attack every 4 levels, while archers,paladins,rangers or robbers need 6 levels, clerics and druids 7 and mages 8.
So the difference in fighting skill between barbarian and half-caster is far bigger than between half-caster and full caster. At level 84 the barbarian gets 22 attacks, the paladin 15 and the cleric 13 for example. Since the amount of damage reduction for enemy AC doesn't seem to depend on the number of attacks, the difference in combat power between barbarian and paladin is even far bigger than it seems.

You will find monsters you can't scratch in melee very often and you'll be forced to use spells which require gems.

I don't think your party is powerful, you've just become a more skilled player.

Kmonster, I may try that new party out. Barbarian-Barbarian-Cleric-Cleric-Sorc-Robber.


"You will find monsters you can't scratch in melee very often and you'll be forced to use spells which require gems."
I actually had that trouble today, fighting a Gamma Gazer with my party. I barely got through, at the cost of 2 potions of the gods! And only my ranger with the obsidian battle axe (whoa I sound like a nerd, but hey... this is fun) could actually hit the monster. :titan:

"The reason is that barbarians get an extra attack every 4 levels"
I've seen the differences in attacks/lvl in the manual, but how does it work? At first I thought it made a character attack more (like several different times in one turn), but I never had that happen. Is it damage or chance-to-hit related?

I don't know exactly how the game mechanics work, I never found a documentation.
In older games like MM2 with text display in combat you can read something like "Knight attacks monster 5 times, hits 3 times for 50 damage."
Its probably the similar in WoX, just the text display is omitted.
But there's something (which doesn't depend on the number of attacks) subtracted from the total damage you inflict afterwards, it might depend on AC or a hidden monster stat.
So if you would only hit for a total of 50 against a high AC monster, it will stay unharmed.
The more attacks you have, the more likely is that you'll manage to cause damage.

I'd consider replacing at least one cleric with a paladin in your new party so you can use any item in the game. You only need enough spell points to cast your buffs.
My post should mainly outline the half-casters can't replace pure warriors, not that half-casters can't replace full casters.

My party couldn't scratch the Gamma Gazers either when they first met one, that's mainly because you are not supposed to explore their area before you are very experienced.
You are still able to beat the game with your old party, it's just not that easy. A level 60 paladin gets the same number of attacks as a level 40 barbarian after all.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Omuletzu @ Jul 15 2005, 02:59 PM) [snapback]131580[/snapback]</div>I'm having a lot of problems with the copy protection. I've purchased Clouds of Xeen and Darkside of Xeen separately (via an online download site - www.trygames.com) - and combined them into World of Xeen.

Unfortunately, it still has the copy protection enabled, and the supplied manuals have been repaginated, so none of the answers work!

I made it through MM4 by using Omuletzu' supplied jpeg (Thanks btw!).

Anyone have a similar list of keywords for Darkside of Xeen?

Thanks all in advance.

Pete

You should ask the people you bought the game from to send the codes or your money back to you.
It's not your fault that you can't play the game.
Is the side you mentioned legal ? The prices are rather expensive than fair, but this doesn't prove anything.

There's a pdf called keywords.pdf which contains the copy protection keywords for all the MM games.
The jpg you saw is actually a screen cap of the pdf.
here it is

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pete @ Aug 12 2006, 07:20 AM) [snapback]248075[/snapback]</div>I had the same problem, so the first time I went to Darkside, I just traveled through the sewers, since my party was strong enough, and I had the swimming ability. Then I found out that in Darkside, Town Portal teleports you outside of a town, so if you get town portal from Clouds, then use it in Castleview to teleport to Castleview, you'll be left standing right outside. You can also go to the top of Ellinger's Tower in Castleview, then fell off.

so ive been playing this game for a few days. got my chars up past lvl 10. went into the castle and found a room i hadnt been in before. the kings room. two chests...whoo hoo. opened them and got jumped by these kings gaurds....well I dont take that laying down. reload and head back in, now Im determined to get those chests...I DIED FOR THEM...

well much to my dismay taking those chests seems to piss off the ENTIRE CASTLE.

here's my question. is there anyway to correct that? If I kill all the guards will I be able to talk to the king?

as I've saved over my game after taking the first chest Im kind of committed to it now...any way out of it outside of starting over? thankfully Im only lvl 10, heh.

I'm not sure killing the guards is gonna stop you from talking to the king... and besides, you won't be talking to him else than getting his quest.
But the real problem is, that taking down those guards is pretty hard...
You see, there's about twenty of them I think in the court, and they'll ambush you at every advisor (three of them each time) so I don't really recommend doing what you did.
There might be a chance for you to get out of there alive, but it would probably require ALOT of resting.
Good luck :P

I don't remember robbing the chests having any effect on the king's behaviour. My party robbed all.
The guards aren't that tough. With the right equipment and protection spells you should be able to handle them. If you only open one chest at a time and kill all guards before opening the next one you might have an easier time or at least gain more experience.

You can try getting out of the castle without too many fights by using jump spells and sidestepping.
You can return once your party is more experienced and you have freed the important wells in the towns.

For fighting the guards you should use buffing spells like "day of protection" and "day of sorcery", if you can't cast them yet cast shield, bless, heroism and holy bonus.

The chest contents are not important, more important is what random items you can get for killing the royal guards who attack with cold. The treasure in the chests is just rubbish compared to this.
I had someone else than my thief try to open certain chests without success to make them respawn endlessly for experience and items.
"Protection from cold", cold resistance and luck will soften their cold attack.

Your'e right.
But at lvl 10, I was'n't able to take on them.
Well maybe my party just isn't the strongest.

I got a couple of them down with level 10's, my robber was like 12th i think, wound up having to beacon out first chance I got. no way I could of handled them all.

now another question...How useful is the merchant skill? I've got my second group up to 10+ and have enough coin saved up for maybe one of them to get the skill, but is it worth the 6k?

With the merchant skill you get the full price instead of the half price for selling items, if you sell a platin late armor characters with merchant skill will get 100,000 instead of 50,000 for example.

You might even consider making all characters merchants.
Since each shop visit takes one full day visiting shops several times in a row to make sure only your merchant sells the items isn't recommended.

You can buy all talents if you manage to travel through the vulcano cave but I think buying the merchant skill for everyone before is worth it.

Hi first time posting here. A little lazy to register. Playing MM4 + MM5. The Cloud above the Dragon Tower is a real pain. Teleported off to avoid the fighting. Will have to return later (after attaining still higher levels!).

Anyway, I seem to be running into some problems, which some may already know of:

1. Northern Sphinx

I can't seem to open those sacrophages. The last time I tried, my knight with a strength of 250+ couldn't (right now he is 300+ but I haven't tried it again).

2. Southern Sphinx

The dungeon has a few secret areas that I find no access to.

3. Lack money

Experience is abound but money is sorely lacking. I found one way to make money: refill the Gemstone mines, mine, make armour and sell. This is detrimental to your gem stockpile, unless you use Sandro as a gem making machine (ie don't return his heart but keep going to him and kill him).

Very good idea. I always get it as soon as I can (even before selling any unwanted piece of equipment). Joe isn't difficult to reach; just don't go too far as to meet the Jousters. Right from the start I would keep saving up cash and get it for my members (till all 6 do). Plenty of money from the Dwarven Mines. That piddly sup of 6000 gp per member is nothing compared to how much you can save with the skill.

That is only useful for some book or fountain at the Darkside in one of the towers (Western?) where (all) your secondary skills are stripped but gains permanent levels.

YAY!! :)
Just finished the whole game.
The dungeon of death is a pain though...
Best Might and Magic I've played :)

:angry:

Ggnnngn. Most frustrated. I bought a windows-98se based computer especially to cease these problems, but alas, this game still doesn't work.

I have 3 copies of World of Xeen now, 1x 1999 CD-version from Ebay, 1 from the "Ultimate RPG Archives" and 1 from The M&M Millenium edition - and they won't work on my system. Every time I try I get the message:

:sos:

Illegal operation - invalid page exception:

Fault location: 0028:CO2A7BEB
Faulting Component: IFSMGR(04) + 000092FF
Interrupts in service: None

:sos:

Swords of Xeen works perfectly - so I assume it's because of the CD requirement (which is ludicrous for such a small game in MB terms).

Anyway, annoyed. Does anyone know what the error means? Is there any way around this? Maybe if I buy 10 more copies?...

hey, I'm having a problem with the animations in this download.. I haven't tried it in months, but I remember this:

Upon leaving castleview and trying to reenter, the game freezes. It only freezes when one of those talking animated characters pops up.. I tried downloading it somewhere else though, but it froze anytime I entered a building and opened up the shop window or where ever it was.

I guess if I cant count on this download, I have to buy a whole new Might and Magic 4 because the one I bought 7 months ago had a broken disc and I didnt find out about it until recently.

Dosbox is a very useful tool though, it gave me hope of playing these games again. You can run most of them on windows 98 or lower.. i first played Swords of Xeen on a 98, but we upgraded to 2000 and lost the 98 disc.

Can anyone help me out..? maybe offer a copy of Might and Magic IV (Disc 3) if you're generous ;)

thanks
-GWA

Ensure you have the correct sound card listed in Xeen's setup and the right sound settings in DOSBox.conf.

-EE

Im sure this has nothing to do with sound, my sound works perfectly

Damn :\ :(


I REALLY wanted to try this one, specially from what I heard about the gameplay depth and size. But getting it this month on amazon or something is not in my budget.

Bad luck for me for coming in late I guess :\

I have no idea why they're charging people for it, the game is dead, the new distributors aren't distributing these titles, and they're beginning a new series... I'll have to see if Im allowed to upload my copies of 1,2,3 and 5 for everyone to enjoy.

Actually, CD-Access is not selling World of Xeen anymore.

This game is once again Abandoned, and may be downloaded from the site. :)

Im gonna dig up some of my floppies to upload.. I have all 5, I might even have a copy of Inherit the Earth somewhere, fun game.

Hi,

I have tried to play this game. But everytime (in the very beginning of the game) when I go to the tarven and "Sign In", the game would hang. I suspect it will be the same whenever I visit blacksmith or whatever shops.

I have tried playing with VDM sound (on go.bat) and had tried Dosbox (with and without sound). But it always hang at the same place. BTW, my laptop is running xp.

Any help is greatly appreciated, thanks!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Oct 5 2006, 03:39 AM) [snapback]259486[/snapback]</div>Erm, nevermind. Problem solved :P

First of all, I'd like to mention that Warrior mode is the standard mode and Adventurer is the easy mode, in which enemies do less damage, take more damage, and are in lesser numbers. I highly recommend playing Warrior mode as it's much more balanced (unless you want to play easy).

About running it on DOS-Box, if you set the CPU cycles to 8000, the game runs at exactly the speed it's supposed to (if you set it to 8000 BEFORE running Xeen.exe then the music will play at the speed it's supposed to as well, with some framerate slowdown when there are a bunch of enemies on the screen). Anything higher than 8000 will make it run slower than the default CPU cycles.

I bought it with the Might and Magic IV: Special Edition with music set to Roland GS (IMO, it's WAAAY better than the quality of soundblaster music setting, and this is on a Soundblaster card) and sound set to Soundblaster Pro, and it runs flawlessly under DOS-box. I'm up to the Great Northern Tower on the Darkside and I have yet to encounter any of the fatal errors, freezing, or doom glitches you guys have spoken of (on any sound setting).

And now to my question, how do you answer to the Chalice in the great northern tower? I've tried all the obvious answers, and now I'm stumped (I figured out all the vowelless riddles thought).

:wallbash:
Hi there,
Pls help me if possible.
I am playing the game " Clouds of Xeen" more than 5 years.
No result.
I am so unhappy.
Pls help me with any (if) walktrough , tips, cheats because
even yog will reach 200 years withour finishing this nice game.
Any Help wilcomed.
God Bless YOU!

:kosta: thankful yog :kosta:

Here are some sources of information:

http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/pc/mm4_5/index.shtml
You can also download the official manual and cluebook for MM4 at http://www.replacementdocs.com.
At www.gamefaqs.com you can also find some walkthroughs.

Some additional hints from me:

- you can save and reload at nearly any time. Do so. Save after each successful battle. Reload when a party member died or got poisoned or something else you can't cure immediately without having to pay in a temple.
- The items you find are random. So you can save before searching something or getting a quest reward and reload to get something more useful. An obsidian weapon is more far useful than a ring which grants 30 electric resistance which only helps against electricity using enemies for example.
- Use the fountains once you found them. Once the town fountains are free they can help a lot.
- Use the buffing spells like heroism and shield. "day of protection" and "day of sorcery" are a very useful shortcut. Just buff your party in the morning so that the spells last long.
- "protection from elements" is extremely useful. Cast it even after "day of protection" if you are going to face hard enemies using this element. Monsters doing up to 25 fire damage can't hurt the party if the fire protection was cast by a level 10 caster. And if shield is also cast then even more damage is ignored.
- against enemies without missile weapons in towns you can use the shoot or cast-jump-shoot or cast-jump tactic if you have the jump spell to hurt them without getting hit.
- If you meet some enemies you can't defeat physically it might be wise to explore another part of the game first.
- A way to gain many XP and great items: If you plunder some chests in castle Burlock a Royal guard attacks (doing cold damage). But you'll also get attacked if you only try to open the chests, so if you have someone else than your thief or ninja try to open the chest without success, you can make make them appear endlessly and kill them for XP and items. If you have buffed up your party and used protection from cold they shouldn't be too hard. But keep in mind that you have to fight your way out of the castle without a chance for resting unless you have a "Lloyd's Beacon" spell.

The procedure before too hard dungeons: Set a "Lloyd's Beacon" there. Start at at the nightshadow town well at 5 o'clock early in the morning, so that the effects will last for nearly 24 hours. Drink for gaining the 10 levels, cast the buffing spells afterwards and teleport to the other town through the mirrors to get all the other buffs and refresh your HP and MP. After using the "Lloyd's Beacon" spell again your party should be fully buffed and have more than full magic and hit points and at least 22 hours time untill the buffs run out.
If you haven't freed the town wells or are going to face extremely hard enemies you have to use additional wells in the wilderness. The jump and the teleport spells might help avoiding to waste too much time outside. Moving, spellcasting or pressing the space key takes only 1 minute inside but 10 minutes outside.

Use the "Lloyd's Beacon" spell to travel back and forth between the area you are exploring and a save town.

Create a strong party. You'll want to have:
- 1 barbarian, since barbarian is the class which does the most physical damage by far
- 1 thief or ninja
- 1 archer or mage for mage spells
- 1 druid or ranger for druidic spells
- 1 cleric or paladin for cleric spells
- 1 paladin or knight for being able to use all weapons you find.

A suggestion for a party containing all races and no double-class:
Half-orc Barbarian
Half-orc Knight
Dwarf Thief
Elf Archer
Gnome Cleric
Human Ranger

With a little patience you should be able to roll good stats which will make the beginning of the game easier.

^ IMO the most balanced party choice is the basic Paladin, Knight/Barbarian, Sorceror, Ranger, Ninja/Robber, Cleric.

Nevermind my question about the chalice, I figured it out soon after asking (I could've sworn I tried Chalice with no consonants, twice)

Also it turns out 7000 CPU cycles is best, same speed as 8000 with less slowdown.
Frameskip is bad, it just makes everything choppy and doesn't really help at all. If you're using dosbox use Ctrl+F12 until it reads 7000 CPU cycles in the blue bar.

Another question, my characters are now level 55 and I have 4 million gold in the bank, how long is that going to last me once the real training starts?

Everyone who plays this game should buy the Might and Magic Compendium, it introduces the story behind 1 and 2, and is a walkthrough for 3, 4 and 5 whenever you might need any assistance. It also has complete stats on every monster, every skill and every spell. And you can get it for about $10 (about 300+ pages).
I'll also add that it includes a very exclusive interview with JVC about all his games up to 1995 (the year before Heroes). This guy has 2 games in the CGW hall of fame (cool).

Hi there
Pls help me if possible.
I am playing Clouds of Xeen , but my right hand hero - Cleric
who is 88 years old starts to die without any battle.
All others are 88 years old but still healthy.
I ressurect him but after 1-2 minutes he again died.
Whats wrong?
My party is about 7-8 level already.
More over I have 2 cheats , but they do not work.
If volunteers available I am ready to transfer them above cheats.

Of course my deepest thanks to all members who helperd me.
:)
Thankful yog
:kosta:

Does you cleric have a stat which is lower than all the others' stats ? Maybe raising this stat with an item or giving a permanent boost might help in this case. (just an idea)
You have to keep an eye on game time, it might even get worse if your characters reach 100.

88 years old??
I haven't played Clouds because one of my disks is broken, but on Terra the game goes by much faster.. unless you already beat it?

I've been running the game on an old laptop that was given to me. Everything seems ok, except that I can't turn the volume down, its soo loud.

Once I get to "start a new game" and type in a name I get dumped back to DOS.

I've read through all 16pages of this thread and haven't seen a similar issue.
Anywho, I bet its a great game. I thought this was the one from my childhood but it was M&M3 that I always played.

I love 3.
So, I think you shouldn't worry about the volume, but stick with the same game until you finish (no need for a second one). Try reinstalling also, that actually works alot.

Anyone plan on uploading M&M3 Isles of Terra?

I sure miss that classic but I haven't been able to find it anywhere!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Oct 23 2006, 05:14 PM) [snapback]263153[/snapback]</div>ditto... Please, it's the only one of the early MM games that I can't find anywhere. If I do happen upon it, though, I'll make sure to let people know (if it's a legal download).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Richard Veysey @ Oct 23 2006, 09:43 PM) [snapback]263160[/snapback]</div>ditto... Please, it's the only one of the early MM games that I can't find anywhere. If I do happen upon it, though, I'll make sure to let people know (if it's a legal download).
[/b][/quote]

This is the Guest fellow from the above post ^^.

Just to clarify...I was only inquiring about this if it's legal. If MM3 is not considered abandonware yet, please disregard my desperate plea! :ok:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Oct 23 2006, 05:14 PM) [snapback]263153[/snapback]</div>According to the Oldwarez list (type "magic" in the "Game name contains:" box and hit "Search!" buttom) it belongs to an ESA member but it's over 15 years old and so its considered "abandonware". Ask for it at the Requests subforum...

It has been asked for, and I believe I posess a working copy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_fifth_horseman @ Oct 24 2006, 12:41 PM) [snapback]263269[/snapback]</div>I noticed your most recent response to the M&M3 request and I'm looking forward to it.

You sir, are a lifesaver.

No, merely a homicidal maniac. ;)

At any rate, the archive is now on the server.

Anyone interested in applying to write a review for the game can send a PM to Kosta on the subject.

This game is soooo awesome, LOL.
I just finished it in 2 days :blink: :blink:
killed mega dragon too :titan:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jotty @ Nov 2 2006, 03:45 PM) [snapback]265030[/snapback]</div>i trained most of my party members to ~ 100 with all my $$$
and give all the free level bonus to the cleric/sorceror
so i ended up having a level 150 cleric/sorceror
and buff at the fountain in darkside for 2500 hp, +1000 SP, +100 might and the well near there for the 600 resist, then use beacon to the well on the dragon cloud for 50 level and then buff the party with day of protection/day of sorcery then use beacon to mega dragon

noone in my party die :sneaky:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jotty @ Nov 2 2006, 03:52 PM) [snapback]265031[/snapback]</div>i trained most of my party members to ~ 100 with all my $$$
and give all the free level bonus to the cleric/sorceror
so i ended up having a level 150 cleric/sorceror
and buff at the fountain in darkside for 2500 hp, +1000 SP, +100 might and the well near there for the 600 resist, then use beacon to the well on the dragon cloud for 50 level and then buff the party with day of protection/day of sorcery then use beacon to mega dragon

noone in my party die :sneaky:
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oh, and its in warrior mode ^_^

@Jetty: You don't need those quotes and double quotes. We understand your posts even without.

The magadragon is a darkside monster, you can even beat it without a party member dying when you play darkside alone in warrior mode. (like I did :D)
You don't need the clouds area or the area with the +50 level well you can only access after finishing the darkside main game for doing so.

Playing the whole game in just two days sounds incredible to me, even if you played 48 hours nonstop you'd have less than 15 minutes to for each 16*16 area including the fights and quests if you go through the whole game.
Even 2 days only for the WoX bonus areas would be quite fast.

What party composition did you choose ?

I used the default party they gave me. Hehe, i didnt know the mega dragon is killable. haha
thats why I was so excited ^_^
anyone got any tricks to make $$ once you run out of training cash

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jotty @ Nov 3 2006, 04:38 AM) [snapback]265086[/snapback]</div>Hi, amigo,
With all my respect to You I do not believe any human is able to
complete the game WoX for 2 days.:)
Even You are using all available tips, cheats or/and walkthrougs.
You tricking us , ah?

I, the stupid yog, is playing Clouds of Xeen more than 2 Years without any
progress.
Moreover my far right character is 104 years old and dies non stop . so .. rats:((

Greetings

yog
:brain:

A way to make money which should work until the end :
You can pay to make for the mines on darkside to respawn their emeralds and mine them as often as you want.
Afterwards you can go to the tents and have some armor made from the emeralds collected.
The most expensive one is worth more than 100,000 GP,if you save before and only accept the most valuable one you can save time.
But you don't need levels that high anyway...

In Clouds of Xeen you can revert unnatural aging by visiting the four druids, but natural aging can't be reverted. You've to be careful with your time, any shop,inn,temple, whatever requires 1 day to visit, each outside move 10 minutes, you can save time with teleport,jump or other travel spells. Don't press the "space" key when drinking from wells.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_fifth_horseman @ Oct 25 2006, 02:40 PM) [snapback]263537[/snapback]</div>I noticed this game is still marked as "Under Review" in the request forums. Has a decision been made to put M&M3 on the abandonia server yet? I'd love to play this classic again if it's all good on the legal end.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Yog7 @ Nov 5 2006, 05:53 PM) [snapback]265470[/snapback]</div>Hi, amigo,
With all my respect to You I do not believe any human is able to
complete the game WoX for 2 days.:)
Even You are using all available tips, cheats or/and walkthrougs.
You tricking us , ah?

I, the stupid yog, is playing Clouds of Xeen more than 2 Years without any
progress.
Moreover my far right character is 104 years old and dies non stop . so .. rats:((

Greetings

yog
:brain:
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yes, this is my 4th time beating the game
i played it more than 10 years ago when clouds of xeen was on 5.25" disk.
:)

Most likely it's already been reviewed. However, there are several other steps between that and placement on the server.

No worries, the updaters will get round to it in a short while. Just have some patience.

Hi,

at first, thanks for the game. :)

And at second, does there exist a reference card for or an overview about the weapons? For example, I can´t decide whether to take a sabre or a broad sword, because I don´t know which one is stronger...

Greetings

Just have a merchant identify both. I'd save before since visiting a merchant takes one day.

Or visit the might and magic WoX shrine at www.rpgclassics.com.

Hi all. I flippin used to the love this game and blame almost failing out of the 6th grade on it. But I need help. I have no clue how to make it work after downloading it. I'm not familiar with dosbox or mounting or anything of that nature. If someone would give me a few tips to walk me along I would very much appreciate it... I NEED TO SAVE XEEN!

thanks!

You might want to check out the official DosBox FAQ, and particularly this part of it. It is quite helpful for users unfamiliar with DosBox.

And don't forget your readme file - it has a lot of info too.

Hi all ,
Can anyone help with this game I cannot leave the first town, I have tried looking at the Manual posted for the Password it asks for but they do not seem to work, I have also tried to use The Go.bat file to use the Crack included but it still asks me for a password, Any help would be most welcome as i played this games when it first came out and would love to play it again, I hope they put iup Xeen 3 and sword of Xeen as well as there both great games, I love these old games the ones today are just to complecated.

Thanks in advance for any help

Inxanadu

When running the game with a crack, just press "Enter" on the protection query. Should bypass it.

Hi,
just tried that and it just keeps asking for the password? however just noticed that my save game is Darkoo1 is that correct ? or should it be world001?

Thanks

Inxanadu

World of Xeen is a combination of Clouds of Xeen and Darkside of Xeen. Are you sure you're running the right game?

Hi,
Not sure should should i be loading Clouds or Darkside.?

Inxanadu

Download the game from here and read Keywords.pdf.

-EE

Hi,
Thanks for the info and download site sorry for not replying sooner but i work 16 hour nights 5pm to 9am will give it a try I downloaded the manual for Clouds, Darkside and World but none of them seemed to work, I am really looking forward to playing the game againI just hope the other xeen titles go onto Abandonia for download.

Thanks again for the help and info

Inxanadu

Hi, Im having trouble finding the dwarf king... ive gone through all of dwarf mines 1-5 and BOTH deep mines, alpha and theta. can anyone tell me where this guy is? :ph34r:

In deep mine omega. There are more than two deep mines, didn't you find a hint for the next deep mine while exploring ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kmonster @ Dec 3 2006, 01:27 AM) [snapback]269905[/snapback]</div>No....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest_yog_* @ Oct 10 2006, 04:45 PM) [snapback]260491[/snapback]</div>theyre 88 yrs old and only lvl7 or 8? im lvl 9 or 10 and all my people are 20!

I was wondering, how do you get the count to fight you in Nightshadow? I can't get his coffin open, its shut by some light blue runes >.<

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Dec 3 2006, 03:16 PM) [snapback]270019[/snapback]</div>nm

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Dec 3 2006, 03:08 PM) [snapback]270017[/snapback]</div>theyre 88 yrs old and only lvl7 or 8? im lvl 9 or 10 and all my people are 20!
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Hi, guest,
May I dare ask YOU to send me your last save file to
[BEEEP]@gmail.com ?
Pls pls.
TY
and one tip from yog-
No matter in which town you are- write onto the mirror shangri-la . The game will teleport you in this town.
Let all party members drink from the well. Their level will be increased by 1. Then use the magic Loyd's beacon and back to vertigo or rivercity or asp or night shadow.

I'm sorry, but posting e-mail adresses in open text is not allowed on this forum.

If you want to share a savegame file with others, know that registered users of this forum can use attachments in the Game Discussion forum.

Yog, your story is unique! I don't believe it. :blink:

How about exchange: your save for my end-WoX(250 lvl, 121 day) save?

Hey Everyone,

I've just got into playing "Worlds of Xeen" after first tinkering with it years and years and years ago. Now thanks to great information out on the web, I'm having a great time of it.

I've got a question! :sos:

Does anyone know what the Stats equate to? For example, what does a Might of 18 equate to in turns of + to hit/damage... or what does +9 Fire Resistance equate to?

Any help would be appreciated! :ok:

I'm unsure what the stats give, but a resistance means that damage is reduced by that amount. Fire resist 8 nullifies the first 8 points of fire damage per attack.

-EE

Thanks Elward!

So, I guess for resistance the higher the better... and better to spread all resistances across characters making sure those with the lowest HP get an extra bit.

I also found out more about stats but now don't really know which is which. Well, mostly I do but I can't work out which is the 'to hit' number or which raises AC or what exactly 'accuracy' and 'luck' are. :w00t:

The table should be down below as an attachment (since I couldn't work out how to do a table in here!)

I can't vouch for the table as it was something I found on the web.

Any help understanding stats would be appreciated!

Elward is wrong with his guess, elemental resistance doesn't substract from the damage you get.
The caster level dependent displayed values you get from the "Protection from elements" spell are subtracted from the damage.
The elemental resistances affect the damage you take in combination with the "Luck" stat (it's even a tavern hint in MM3, 4 or 5), they might even work against attack of the specific element exactly like AC against physical attacks.

I don't know where you got your table from, Residue, but I'm sure it's not a table for WoX.
The stats which start the next better value are 3,5,... ,19,21,25,30,35,40,50,75,100,...,225,250.
One raise to the next better con value gives an extra HP per level for example, the rise to 250 (perfect) might even grant the triple bonus (only verified it in MM3).
You see that little stat differences matter a lot in the beginning but nearly nothing later when all stats have been raised above 50.

You can take a look at the very well made shrines for MM3 and WoX at www.rpgclassics.com, not much was changed from MM3 to WoX.
They copied one manual error however, barbarians are far superior to knights (and any other class) regarding physical combat because they gain extra attacks much faster. Often the barbarian can do considerable damage to monsters the others can't even scratch.

so i just decided to play this wonderful game again; arrived at castle burlock after some hours, climbed the east tower and suddenly recognized something I can´t remember from the times I played the game before#

so my question is, does it have any meaning, that a third reich swastika was included in the game? ;)

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6...7012316lh1.jpg

?s there a way to replenish spell points without resting ?

Spell points vs Time is the most important element of the game : if you have spell points you can endure battles for ever

now, is there a way to restore spell points without rest ?

The only one i have found is by getting levels

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ocean @ Dec 26 2006, 01:46 AM) [snapback]272513[/snapback]</div>Hi,
Well, well,
Sry because I started again Clouds of Xeen , the save files with dying hero were lost.
Now I know my mistake : Being starving for money I worked in Rivercity for 100 credits per week=
This way my heroes aged very quickly.
Now I follow the path of 4 druids and my gang is 32 years old.
..New problem occurs: How to find the credits in The temple of Yak? Where the keys for some places like
The tomb of 1000 Terrors. I need 3 credits ASAP because my stats are 15 levels and I am unable to reach more- had to start construction of Newcastle.
Ty all good ones.
:sos:

Well, you can replesnish SP by drinking from certain wells.

I'd also like to add that this is a really fun RPG! Thanks for putting it up, guys!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Oct 5 2006, 06:05 AM) [snapback]259502[/snapback]</div>Erm, nevermind. Problem solved :P
[/b][/quote]

Please do tell how! I have the same problem...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Jan 7 2007, 10:22 PM) [snapback]273753[/snapback]</div>Erm, nevermind. Problem solved :P
[/b][/quote]

Please do tell how! I have the same problem...
[/b][/quote]


I'm not the original poster, but I too had this problem. What worked for me was to deactivate sound in the DOSBox config file. "sbtype=none" Having sound would have been better, but I tried a bunch of different settings and that's the only way I could get it to run. No sound = No problems.

The last Battle:

Hi there,

May I dare ask for help because more than 3 days I am unable to kill Lord Xeen.
Info :
All my heroes are pumped-up and protected by Days of Protection.
The levels are 16-19.
I have the special Xeen Slayer. Note: I get it by cheat – writing in the mirror “I lost it”. I know the enemy is with HP 500 and AC 20.
Well, my dream became true. Here we go –
The ugly sphere like Lord versus brave yog.
The monster is very fast , but yog strike with Star Burst.No result.
Then one by one all my heroes beat it.
No result . Soon one hero became Eradicated. I heal with the magic Divine intervention , no result. So , after 3-4 round yog is down.
Why? Where I failed?
Some say I had to unshield my hero with the Slayer?

Pls Help me , I play the game about 5 years.

Ty
:kosta:

Set a beacon near Lord Xeen. Start your buffing tour at 5 am in Nightshadow. Use all fountains in the cities, and even others. Gain 10 temporary levels in Nightshadow, get +50 str in Winterkill, get luck in Rivercity, ....
Use the town mirrors to get to town wells fast, you can use "Teleport" and "jump" to save time if you also need wells outside the cities, maybe you'll find one which increase resistance vs the element Lord Xeen is attacking with (I don't remember which it was). Don't press the space key after drinking to save time.

Buff up your party before the confrontation, "Day of Protection" and "Day of Sorcery" are must have (Don't buff before you gained the 10 levels however)

Only the "Xeen Slayer Sword" (can be found in your dungeon) can hurt Lord Xeen, you can trade the sword around so everyone can attack with it when it it is his turn.

To make your party stronger you can gain XP in the Arena if you want, fighting the maximum possible number of level 9 monsters yields the most XP (Don't forget to buff up however, cast "protection from poison" after "day of protection"). You can only have 99 arena wins, so if you also have "Darkside of Xeen" installed leave some fights for the darkside arena. But in this case you'd better gain fast and easy XP by doing the easier quests on darkside.

Another option to gain experience is exploring the lava sea and the dungeons there if you haven't done it yet. With 10 temporary extra levels, protection from fire, shield, luck and temporary raised fire resistance you should be able to absorb most of the fire damage. But you can still investigate the dragon and vulcano cave after defeating Lord Xeen who shouldn't be too hard for a fully prepared party.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kmonster @ Jan 10 2007, 05:57 PM) [snapback]274204[/snapback]</div>
Ty.
I will follow yr detailed instructions=
Btw I increased my heroes levels as follow:
17, 18, 20, 18, 18 from left to right.
I wipe out old moving creatures in, under and over the land of Xeen.
I will prepare better and will try again .
Of course I will do my report
yog the gamer

Ok, when I download it then try to extract, it says an error occurred. I have downloaded it several with the same result. Would the problem be the extraction program, or is it on your end?

After hearing all the positive comments on this (very long :blink: ) thread I really want to play this game! :hairpull:

As it happens, yes, the WORLD of XEEN was re-released for a short time with speechification and all that whatnot <the speech was the only change> in a package deal that included MM's 5, 6, 7 and 8 as well as the sword of xeen(an expansion on MM 5)

Hi, there,

I very strictly followed the above instructions before the final battle against lord Xeen.

Details: I have 200 000 credits and about 4000 gems.
My party is well equipped and healthy.
All members have Slayer Xeen Sword.
The levels are 17 – 20 depending of the heroes.
I am able to kill 7-8 opponents in Arena zone. All other enemies ( except some) in lava dungeon are dead.
..Well, I buff up my party with all options available after the guidelines of well respected mate Kmonster.
May I dare to present my deeds and actions.Ty.
.. Carefully watching the time I use my Loyds Beckon and arrive before the door after which is waiting Xeen. Save. Spell Day of protection. Ready. One step ahead.
The ugly sphere-like monster appeared and imm. attacks me. All alive. Teleport 2 steps to reach it. It again strikes me. Still all alive. Then is my turn. I am using the sword but no effect visible. I know it is 500 HP, 20 AC and has terrible magic. The battle continued.
Strange – I beat it several times with this sword, but I do not see the red flashes onto Xeen , meaning I really harm the lord , and it does not redden. ( All other enemies after some strikes became red and soon died. It is correct?). After its third strike some of my heroes died ( they became skeleton-blue-like ). Sadly the magic against this condition failed. I am upset and soon I am down.
Well I will try again and again, but why I am loosing? I think I am good gamer and I do beat millions of monsters in many games.

So, I started the next game – Dark side - . Is it possible to play this game and after a while to go back and kill the lord?

Pls excuse me in advance for my detailed explanation of the game.

Any help welcomed

yog

Have you used the XEEN Sword, forged after building up Newcastle ?

Oh,
NO, I am the stupid one :((.
I faced the mirror in Vertigo and wrote :
- I lost it - ( this is advice from cheats )- This way I received the Xeen Slayer sword. Probably it is fake :((
Rats!! Now all is lost. How , the hell, I was so stupid.
.. Evharisto , Nick.
Now I know the reason. Sadly I am unable to restore the matters.

Well, I started Darkside. May I return after a while , being in Darkside and kill lord Xeen?

yog from small, sunny and lovely Bulgaria,

follow the walkthrough for XEEN and kill him with the original sword forged in Newcastle

I don't think it's a problem with the sword.
Does the color which displays Lord Xeen stays green all the time or do you manage to get it to yellow when you first hurt him ?
Maybe your characters are not strong enough to hurt him considerably, but a fully buffed level 28 barbarian (thanks to the +10 levels well) should be able to kill him with 2-3 hits with the sword.
If you have "World of Xeen" you can switch between "clouds" and "darkside" anytime you want and can face Lord Xeen even with a level 80 party or so.
You need to kill Lord Xeen in order to get access to the WoX areas, if he's invincible because of a bug you cannot access them after finishing darkside.

Hi, there,

After 3-4 attempts and 3-4 years gaming with Clouds
and after my failures with well-pumped heroes ( 28 levels) , and
Original Xeen Slayer ( not from cheat mirror )
I think my game has a bug , so I started Darkside.
.. Here I am 13 level with same heroes but this Killer Cobra
make me very upset ( It's 800 Hp ),still I am unable to kill
the Cobra. I try to kill Cobra being in the river but it's very
clever and doesnt approach the river.
I am in Sandcaster town and make any attenpts to increase
my level but enemies are still very strong for me.

:brain:

Yog7, did you clear Castleview's and Sandcaster's sewers? What about completing Ellinger's and the Great Southern Towers? Ensure you have enough money for a new load of spells including Implosion, Mass Distortion, and Lightning Bolt.

-EE

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Feb 12 2007, 10:29 PM) [snapback]278991[/snapback]</div>Hi, Guest,
Yes, I cleared the both sewers - Castleview and Sandcaster. Well, I killed these
terrible Killer Cobra - about 12-13 pieces. Now my levels are 16-17.Nice.
I have enough money, friend, but I need more powerfull spells like Implosion etc.
But , sadly, I do not find where in Sandcaster is Membership office?
So I am unable to buy more spells and kill these last 3 Magicians at 3-th level of Soutehrn
Towers and take the Jewel of Ages , because my heroes getting older and older.
Hope You understand how difficult is my situation.
Any help welcome.
Yog

Guild membership should be available at 18,10.
The Jewel of Ages is in the eastern tower btw.

Hi, Kmonster,
Ty for yr valuable remarks.
--------------------------------------------------------
Guild membership should be available at 18,10.
The Jewel of Ages is in the eastern tower btw.
--------------------------------------------------------
Yes , I mistaked for the tower. You are right.The tower is the Eastern one.

I know the location 18,10 . But when I click on the scene, = You had to be member here to buy spells ..= text appeared. Once again - I want to find membership office to became member of the guild and then buy more powerful spells. Am I clear enough now? Playing about 4 years Clouds and now World I am quite familiar with the way how to buy spells.

One new question if YOU please:
- I entered the Western tower ( it is in Giant area , but I am unable to open the door at the 1 level , even with 100 Mgt )I try to open with strong leg kick , in vain. Where is my fault , Kmonster?
btw do YOU know how to change the place of one of my heroes in the order- for example far right male to became far left one or some?

At last I want to note - the game is very, very hard when starting from zero. But you know my unhappy moments with my bugged version of Clouds , when I was unable to kill the nasty Lord Xeen and to start World , using all my experience,money, spells and so on by Clouds.

Strange. The membership should be available at 18/10 while the guild is at 18/22. Maybe you have to face another direction.
I don't remember having difficulty with doors in the Towers, usually my thief just picked the locks.
Only secret doors need bashing. I guess you already know that strength can be increased temporary by drinking from certain wells and that the strength of the first two characters is important.
I don't remember how to change character positions but it was quite simple, maybe just just drawing the pictures with the mouse or using one of the keys F1-F12.
If you are desperate you could just visit an inn and dismiss and rejoin until the party order is complete. This costs a day though.
If you still can't get past that door you might as well explore the other areas first, maybe those doors are so hard to open in order to keep you from facing enemies beyond your level.

MM5 is quite hard the first time with a newly created instead of MM4 party, but you'll improve over time. If you start a new WoX game after beating both parts you'll have a far easier time with the gained knowledge. Do you play adventurer or warrior mode ?

I recommend downloading the official MM5 cluebook from www.replacementdocs.com, maybe there's a better description of Sandcaster and the northern tower near the giants. www.gamefaqs.com and the MM5 shrine at www.rpgclassics.com can also yield very valuable information.

I'm looking for the CD version of this game, but I can't find it anywere... That's sad, I really want to play this chapter of the series =(

A torrent would be a good idea to preserve this old classic !!! There's torrents for all M&M versions but this one...

Since this game is Abandoned, this means an ISO may be placed in the ISO forum. However, that part of the site is accessible only to registered users (and then there is a small postquota requirement).

No torrents, though.

Hi all. I've been looking all over the web for this for several years (since 2000 when I lost my WoX CDs) and I can't believe that I've finally found a download for it! Thanks folks.

Just wondering though, how do I get the game to run in an OS like Win95? I remember in the past I had to reboot in DOS mode and enter a lot of commands, but I can't remember them at all. Some help would really be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Xeenslayer (yes, that's my alias on the net which I've been using since 2001)

If you reboot into DOS mode to play the game, you really only need two commands - DIR and CD - the rest just aren't needed for such a limited application.

What OS do you have now? You might be better off using DosBox to run the game.

I had the CD version, but they are lost now :(. I guess the normal version is better than nothing, but I miss the voices and sounds from the cd-version.

Hi, Fifth_Horseman. I am currently on WinXP. Will DosBox do the trick on it? I had an old Win95 system which ran my WoX CD fine. After I lost the discs, I stopped playing for a long time and totally forgot the DOS commands. When I bought the M&M Millenium Collection a few years ago, I tried to run WoX on both old and new systems, but neither worked.

Xeenslayer

I've played it on Dosbox 0.63 some time ago, but the sound was a little choppy. I haven't tested on newer versions, maybe its better now, expecially on the upcoming 0.66 (some people say its much faster and stable, I hope so !!!)

BTW, does it wok on VDMSound?

If you've got Windows XP, then DosBox should be just the thing for you. It might seem a little complex at first, but you shouldn't have any problem learning to operate it. You can download the latest version here.

You might want to check out the official DosBox FAQ, and particularly this part of it. It is quite helpful for users unfamiliar with DosBox. I suggest you also read the pages about command line, internal programs (very important!) and the config file.

Norton Commander works nicely in DosBox (you can snatch a copy from our programs page), and there are also a few dedicated frontend programs (though I don't advise using them - they've been known to cause incompatibility with some games).

Anyone know where I can find a download of Might and Magic III - Isles of Terra? Im not having much luck finding it.

Thanks!


+++MERGED+++

When I run the game during the into scene the music is so loud compared to the voices I cant hear the voices enough to understand them. Anyone else have this issue?


+++MERGED+++

I changed the sound settings to sound blaster pro for all sounds and that fixed it.

Still wondering if anyone knows where to find Might and Magic III download. ??

Might & Magic III is abandonware, and an archive has been uploaded to the server a long while ago.
If you want to get it so badly, register on the forum and apply for reviewing it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_fifth_horseman @ Mar 13 2007, 02:07 PM) [snapback]283408[/snapback]</div>So If I register, I can get it from an archive location? I finally registered, but cant activate my acct until I get home. I have used this site alot, and I think I donated to it once, but was just too lazy to register.

Thanks.

Not exactly. Explanation is waiting for you in the thread you (I assume it's you) posted in the Requests forum.

Hi again Fifth_Horseman. I managed to get WoX to work on DosBox 0.70, but I haven't actually gotten down to playing it yet.

A few things first... surprisingly, music etc were ok. However, I can't seem to get the Darkside intro to work. The screen freezes after it zooms in on Dragon Pharoah's spaceship, but the music carries on. Hitting Esc doesn't help, so I have to Ctrl-F9 to kill DosBox. Also, the Clouds of Xeen intro stops at Crodo's speech. Just after he introduces himself, his voice is cut off and the screen just doesn't progress. Music continues though. For this one, I can hit Esc to enter the game.

Another thing is... I copied my old game saves over into the WoX directory. They were saved with my original WoX CDs and are either XEENxx.WOX or DARKxx.WOX, where "xx" is a number. However, when I fire up the game in DosBox and try to load a game, it tells me that there aren't any saves. How do I get WoX to recognise my transferred saves?

Thanks,
Xeenslayer

Sorry to double-post, but I've got another question... do I have to install the game through install.exe or can I just run it straight off like that?

If you experience the sort of sound issues you described, that means something is wrong with the sound setup.
Running Install is recommended in that case - please make sure you configure the game to use Sound Blaster 16, IRQ 7, DMA 1, Adress 220 h.
If no option for Sound Blaster 16 is present, use Sound Blaster Pro 2 (or "plain" Pro) instead.

All I can think of is that maybe the game uses it's own formula for naming savegames, in which case you might have to rename the savegame files to match it. Can't help you more with that.

Hi again, and thanks for the quick reply. I figured out that renaming the saves to .SAV does the trick, and the game saves run perfectly fine. Also, installing with SB Pro instead of SB resolves the intro issues. Thanks. :) Only minor problem now is that the music is so soft it's hardly audible.

Now, technicalities aside... onto the game itself. I have cleared the whole of Clouds and almost all of Darkside, yet I'm still only at level 62 max. I don't have enough money to continue training (at Kalindra's Castle), so I'm stuck at Dragon Pharaoh's pyramid, with all those powerful dragons to fight.

I've read over here that keeping your gold in the bank produces interest?... I never knew that, so how does it work? Do gems yield interest too, because I'm really running short of them and have no means of getting more.

What's your party composition ?

Level 62 is quite high considering that you can also gain 15 temporary levels from the shrine in the desert on darkside. Besides the wells which grant temporary HP, SP and other stat increases especially temporarily raised luck and resistance against the element the dragons are attacking with are important. It's also important to cast protection from those elements after day of protection.

The standard tactic if it gets too hard somewhere is exploring other areas first, like the dragon and vulcano cave on the cloud side which can only be accessed by walking across the lava.

To earn gold and gems you can visit the mines on darkside and dig for gems. You can use save and reload to improve what you get. When they are all empty pay 250,000 GP to the "God of Minerals" (Cave entrance C2 6/9) for refilling them.
For the emeralds and other kind of stones found have the blacksmith make an armor, enforce to get the most valuable one by reloading. If you have gained a bunch of plate armors this way you can sell them, a character with merchant skill should get far more than 100,000 for each of them.
This can be repeated endlessly if desired.

Hi kmonster. My party is the default party that the game starts off with (paladin, knight, ranger, robber, cleric, sorceror). I have cleared all of clouds, which also includes all the caves and lairs. There is one, however, which I don't think I cleared. It's the one with the screamers, which I found really hard to beat. I killed a lot of them but I don't remember clearing the dungeon.

I will try clearing out the Great Pyramid (whatever it's called, I forgot) once more after getting the +2500HP bonus from the fountain at the lava-area. But even so, it's quite troublesome going around getting all the bonuses and going back to the pyramid to fight, isn't it?

Also, I've read of people easily hitting level 250... 62 really looks puny in comparison. I could try selling diamond plate armour to raise funds for training, but... You haven't told me how I could get more gems. Casting spells costs a lot of gems, and making ruby/emerald/sapphire/diamond equipment requires a lot of gems too. IIRC creating a diamond armour requires 10000 gems, and I definitely don't have so much.

You get the gems the same way you get ruby/emerald/sapphire/diamond stones required for the armors. At the best locations in the mines you can 5 stones but you can also get you get about 1000 gems instead. To enforce getting more gems you can reload everytime you get 1 or 5 stones until you get enough gems instead.

It's troublesome having to buff up your party, but you only have to do it once a day. If you choose the buffing order (I'd start at 5 am at the shrine in the desert which grants +15 levels) and use spells like Teleport and Lloyd's beacon wisely you'll have more than 20 hours totally buffed up to explore the pyramids.
That's a lot considering that an indoor action takes only 1 minute.
(Don't push space for drinking from a well, else time will pass.)

If you get low on HP/SP just set a beacon, use the other beacon to refresh at a well which grants extra HP or SP and use a beacon spell back in.

You don't have to reach level 250 right now, you'll have to do a lot of other quests in WoX which will grant a lot of gold and XP.

Thanks Kmonster. Using Lloyd's Beacon many times in the Great Pyramid helped me buff up my party enough times to defeat the dragons in level 1. I managed to reach Dragon Pharoah, and then went on to kill Alamar. It's a pity I forgot to take a screenshot of my score though, darn it. =( The game automatically saved and I now have no way of killing Alamar again, pah.

Anyway, I've just activated the machines in the four corners of Clouds, and also awakened the four guardians in Darkside. What do I do next? Another thing is, I see a chest at each of the four elemental planes (when I go to awaken the guardians) but there's apparently no way of opening them?... How do I pick the chests and access whatever's inside (presumably great treasures)?

Btw, I realised that last time, I solved the puzzle at the Great Pyramid level 1, but forgot to claim the treasure... -_-" I did that now and together with the Pitchfork chest puzzle in Castleview, I got like 3 million gold. I used some of it to train my characters up to level 65 - all of them. So far, my party is pretty much invincible wherever I go... makes me wonder if it's necessary to get to level 200+ in this game?

It's really not neccessary to reach level 200+ in the game. If you feel invincible you can prove this by defeating the megadragon.
Before you can open a chest in an elemental plane you have to succeed with the test there.

In castle Alamar you should have found a key to the dragon tower on the clouds side, it might be worth a visit.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kmonster @ Mar 19 2007, 11:23 PM) [snapback]284228[/snapback]</div>Haha, I meant I'm invincible against the more common enemies. With Day of Protection and Power Shield, I hardly need to sweat when taking them on. The Megadragon, however, is another story... :tai:

Anyway, I tried what you suggested and accepted the elemental tests, then opened the chests... I realised that it's hardly worth the damage I receive. Just 1000 gold and some lousy elemental equipment. :angry: I reloaded and decided not to open those chests.

Thanks, I'll check out Dragon Tower. I can't remember if I rescued Roland though. I had explored the dungeon in Alamar's Castle last time (before finding the Dragon Pharaoh and slaying Alamar) and I have no idea if I saved Roland. Looks like I gotta check out that place again...

Receiving damage shouldn't be a problem. Just put off your armor if you fear getting into the negatives. Resting should easily heal your HP for free, the elemental items can at least be sold for a little money.
You should be able to buff up your party enough to handle the damage without someone dying.
You can return when you're more experienced if you don't want to do the whole buffing procedure now.

I used to play this game back in the day. And I've been looking for it since my win.98 died, and got a new windows vista system. This game I think is better than halo in some ways. This game was the halo of 1992. And is still hot.halo cant say that! I went through a lot of web sites that were bogus.(charged my credit card and then gave me a download site that didnt exist). They pissed me off so I hacked there server, took the site down and I put a joker on there system.Which if you dont know what that is it's a virus which cuts off there mouse and keyboard and will not allow it to restart.hahaha that showed em not to *meep* with me! But this site is good...and free! Thank you abandonia.com!

Whoa, talk about nostalgia.. spent many many hours on xeen when i was a kid.

Is World of Xeen the one where the portal asks you 'Where to?' in speech (i.e. not text)?

Hi,

I could provide the german copy protection codes that someone requested some time ago. Would it be okay to post them in the forum? Or would it be better to not post them?

I have the "Bestseller Games" version of both games, too. For those who don't know what "Bestseller Games" is: It was a German magazine that featured full games only, i.e. no (or almost no) editorial content but only the game, instructions, and, also the walkthrough for games that needed them. Back in the late nineties that was a great opportunity to obtain cheap games (they cost around 6-10€ per issue)

--Darkstar

I remember this game from when I was a kid- playing through it two times recently reminds me of how much easier the game is when you know where everything is.

One tip that I'm not sure anyone has mentioned: interest rates on Xeen are very good. You'll inevitably run out of money for training in the late game- if you kill Barkman, though, that should give you enough gold to train to at least level 50, which can get you through Darkside (particularly the Great Pyramid where there's a huge treasure pile) and then the Dragon Tower where there's a lot more treasure. Then (probably before you go to the Dragon Clouds) just put all of this gold in the bank and go work (Castleview/Rivercity/Vertigo, I think) for the next 25 (or so) years. 25 years multiplies your money by about a factor of 15, and 50 million gold (which you won't have any trouble accumulating with this strategy) is easily enough to train all of your characters to level 120. Aging penalties start around age 35, but don't kick in a second time until about 50, so you'll only have a few stats go down with this strategy.

This sure beats endless trips to the Gemstone Mines, or enchanting and selling items all day! It was particularly amusing that I had so much gold left over that I could pay the 4 million gold in the Southern Sphinx to be protected from the traps and then walk right through them.

For me it sounds crazy rushing through the game in order to avoid aging (24 is quite young to finish DS) and giving away 25 years afterwards to gain a little money.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kmonster @ May 25 2007, 05:49 AM) [snapback]291318[/snapback]</div>I think the primary reason people take a lot of game time to finish the game is that they don't realize that going to shops takes a day and/or they rest when they could just visit fountains (Vertigo/Rivercity being the easiest) to restore sp/hp. If you're judicious about not going to shops often or resting, the game is very quick.

Also, aging penalties at 35 are very mild- something like -2 physical ability scores, +1 mental ability scores. Then you don't suffer any more aging penalties until around age 50. I'd trade -2 physical ability scores for +40 levels of training any day.

It's more than a little money- I ended up with 120 million gold at age 46 (from 7.3 million at age 18) the last time I did this. My concern is minimizing real time, not game time. If you want to avoid running out of gold for training, I don't see any faster real-time way to do it.

You are probably right about this being the fastest real-time way to get money, but for me it's just no option. A sidegoal for me is turning my heroes into super characters with a very promising future, and draining 28 years of lifespan just hurts, I'd rather finish the game with level 80 characters.

The stat penalties don't really hurt, even if the characters get 80 years old. Natural aging isn't reversible in the game and the characters die when they get too old. If you run out of money there are ways to fix it, but if run out of time it's over. Therefore I'm very careful about aging.
The final score als depends mainly on the in-game time you needed to complete the game.

But that's just my personal way to play, different players play differently.
What party did you choose ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kmonster @ May 26 2007, 11:03 AM) [snapback]291466[/snapback]</div>I never thought about the score depending on the in-game time you need to complete the game. I suppose that since I had no idea what the formula to come up with a score is I never knew if my score was "good" so I didn't pay any attention to it.

I chose one of the most martial parties possible- 3 Half Orc Barbarians, 1 Dwarf Ninja, 1 Human Paladin, 1 Human Archer. In retrospect, replacing a Barbarian with another Archer might have sped things up in real time because having 2 Lloyd's Beacons is nice and my party was never challenged by fights as it was.

My goal was to win as fast as possible in real-time. I sped up play with Count Du Money and Shangri-La (I drew the line at Lord Xeen and I Lost It- didn't use those).

Initial strategy: Go immediately to Darkside, create party at level 5, solve the puzzles in and right around Castleview (buy Lloyd's Beacon), use Count-Du Money for gold and then Shangri-la to get key spells (Days spells, Town Portal, Lloyd's Beacon, Teleport). Solve Vertigo, train to level 10, go back to Count Du Money and teleport your way into main Dragon Cave treasure room (save until you get 2 Obsidian weapons), head to Dwarf mines 1-4 for stat bonuses (maybe unnecessary with Obsidian weapons)-> this gets you high enough Int for Archer to have 40 sp for Day of Sorcery- rest, cast it then go to Rivercity and beat Sorceresses, return Barok's pendant, drink from well to get enough SP for Day of Protection (cast it).

Rampage through Nightshadow. Drink from fountain for +10 levels. Commence world-beating.

Nice party and another proof how useful barbarians really are.
Because of the manual error most newbie players prefer knights, although barbarians are far superior.

How long (in real time) did it take to finish the game ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kmonster @ May 26 2007, 02:50 PM) [snapback]291486[/snapback]</div>What's the manual error? I think that the manual doesn't emphasize how strong multiple attacks get. Also, full armor and full weapon use barely matters because magical properties matter much more than the strength of the base item. You want any weapon to be usable by at least one character, but having a ninja and paladin in the party easily takes care of that (since the oriental weapons are generally pretty rare) and barbarians can use enough of the weapons that you won't have trouble getting obsidian weapons that they can use.

The game took about 4 1/2 hours for Clouds + Darkside. After that I got tired of rushing through the game so I took my time finishing World of Xeen. I imagine you could do Worlds in an extra 1 1/2 hours (6 hrs total) if you were pushing it. I had played through the game recently and so my memory for most of it was pretty good- and I planned the rough outline for completing the game in advance.

The maps at http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/dos...me/564553.html and
http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/dos...me/564552.html are very helpful if you haven't played the game recently and helpful even if you have (I used them in some places).

6 hours is really impressing considering how huge those games are. Did you play adventurer or warrior mode ?

About the manual error: I'm referring to the barbarian class descriptions in the manual, something like "the Barbarian is almost as good a fighter as the Knight" which is obviously untrue and would have made me avoid the barbarian if I hadn't known it better.
Luckily I had already played MM3 before with both in a party and therefore got a strong suspicion. When I tested them (at level 200) against the same monster there, the barbarian did about 5700 damage while the knight did only about 4300.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kmonster @ May 26 2007, 04:27 PM) [snapback]291492[/snapback]</div>Warrior. I fleshed out the guideline I wrote for myself a little more, because it sounds hard to believe the game is this quick until you've played it this fast. This was my second try at beating the game quickly- the first time took me longer partly because my memory for the game was worse and partly because I didn't have as good of an order to do things in.

Key tips:
Leaving effects and music off made the game run much faster in DosBox. It's possible that I set things up wrong to start with and that's why it was slow in the first place, but when you're going for speed you can't be too concerned about sound effects.

Fountains are crucial: Nightshadow, Rivercity, Vertigo, +2500 HP in Darkside A1, +1000 SP in Darkside E1, +15 levels at Darkside C2, Sandcaster- stand in exact middle of town at exactly noon (you get there when you cast Time Distortion), face South and press Spacebar—bonus 1800 spell points to each character

If you never look at (or near) an enemy, the game doesn’t activate that enemy. So you can back up into a crowd of ranged-attackers and fight them one group at a time.
If you reload while facing away from a monster, the game forgets that it ever saw you. This is even more of a cheat than the previous strategy. This feels somewhat justified by the following point, though:

Bows are terrible past low levels. Although you get multiple attacks per round, this doesn’t apply to bows. Additionally it’s very hard to find powerful magical bows (Clouds near Lord Xeen’s castle are best place to find powerful bows). If you want to fight at a range, your choices are either casting one spell with one party member or having every character with a bow shoot one arrow. Then all of your enemies get to attack you. It’s pretty pitiful.

The most important combat spells in the game are Day of Protection and then Day of Sorcery. Go to a level-boosting fountain at 5 am every day and then cast these spells. Early in the game you’ll want to go to Nightshadow, then Asp (maybe Vertigo first) for HP, then Rivercity for SP. Since Day of Protection is the most important spell, give all bonus experience points to your Paladin.

Visiting shops takes a day (more for training, guilds, or temples). However, your Days spells and temporary fountains don't fall off except when you Train.
Obsidian Weapons are much, much better than Diamond Weapons. A level-boosted Barbarian with an Obsidian weapon and a level-boosted Day of Protection spell cast will kill most enemies in one hit. For this reason, you should give a lot of Speed bonuses to 2 of your Barbarians (there probably aren’t enough speed bonuses easily available to give you 3 Barbarians who are faster than almost all of your enemies). Also, give most Might bonuses to the two characters at front of party for bashing/opening purposes.

Party: 2 Half Orc Barbarians, 1 Dwarf Ninja, 1 Human Paladin, 2 Human Archers (I initially made a speed run with 3 Half Orc Barbarians and 1 Human Archer, but this configuration seems faster)

Start outside Vertigo—head immediately to Castleview
Make new party (transfer items from old party)(make sure Archer has 17+ Int)
Drawcab monks (reverse order), Secret chest at (21,30)
Get Cartographer skill- Cartographer’s challenge (Sandcaster)
Buy Lloyd’s Beacon at Guild for one archer
Free Jethro from Jail- Buy swimming skill for non-humans.
Two puzzles with the Chests (first puzzle 1,2…9; second, spell Pitchfork)
Go outside, head East along river to sunken ship, answer Palindrome riddle at tent, buy pass to Castleview right next to city, go back in.
Collect prize for freeing Jethro- go to Vertigo
Count Du Money- Beacon to Vertigo- Shangri-La (Days spells, Etherealize, Teleport, Town Portal, Cure Poison/Disease, Jump, Awaken, Lloyd’s Beacon, Time Distortion), try to get bows at Shangri-la armory, back to Vertigo (make sure you save 20000 gold for training—if you have two archers one only really needs Teleport/Beacon right now)
Clean out Vertigo (NW corner)
Train characters- back to Castleview if you want level>10 (Archer will only be able to train to level 10- Barbarians and Ninjas might be level 11 so this probably won’t matter)
Loot treasure at final area in dragon caves (Count Du Money—go to North East Corner of room, teleport 9E, 3E) (Save until you get an obsidian weapon from each item stash)
Go to Dwarf mines 1-4 for stat bonuses—give +6 Int to one Archer

Rest. Cast Day of Sorcery (Archer should have 40-45 sp).
Go to Rivercity—buy Armsmaster, Bodybuilder (SE corner)
Get Barok’s pendant from Sorceresses, drink from Rivercity well, cast Day of Protection (set Beacon at Rivercity well). Beat Nightshadow as soon as it hits nighttime.
Also complete: Asp/Yang Knights, Buy Mountaineer (2)/ Navigator (Rivercity)
Beat robbers- Head to Castle Burlock- deliver tiara and get merchant skill just outside

Back to Castleview—defeat Gettlewait, head into sewers (get Onyx Necklace)
Return Onyx necklace for key to E’s tower, steal Valio’s treasure, Buy Pathfinder (2) (Castleview)
Go to Ellinger’s Tower (don’t get resistance bonuses yet) (Get gold chest in Castleview)

Power up at Clouds town fountains- Town Portal to Sandcaster—solve Paladin riddle
(from Sandcaster, Teleport: 9W, 9W, 8W, 9N, 5N, answer riddle, 5S, 5S,5E,5E,5N,5N,5W). (Obsidian longsword among treasure). Teleport around to get genies in desert (give to Paladin for exp). Beacon to Rivercity if you need more SP.
Head to Ector in E2 then go to E1 to the +1000 SP fountain and to get his ring (Obsidian Battleaxe reward)
Back to Sandcaster- get nearby Emerald Handle, Trade Handle for pass to Sandcaster (B4)

Train again somewhere in here.

Visit +1000 sp fountain (E1), followed by (carefully) Town Portal- Necropolis- Teleport North- then West to get to +2500 hp fountain in A1- be careful to avoid facing south while you’re at or approaching that fountain, so the Gamma Gazers south of there don’t get activated. If you run into Gamma Gazers, you can face North and cast Time Distortion- this will teleport you near the 2500 hp fountain. Set Lloyd’s Beacon here so you don’t have to run this gauntlet again.

Enter Sandcaster: Solve 2 Merchants puzzles (Answers: 3 and 100), clear out rooms just south of there- get speed, int bonus, go into sewers to gym (SE) for bonuses. Buy pass to Lakeside (middle/South Sandcaster).
Clear Lakeside- get statue from sewers- get pass to Necropolis.
Back to Shangri-la (Mass Distortion, Holy Word, Cure Paralysis, Power Cure, maybe a few others)

(At some point):
Get key to East tower in SE corner of Sandcaster
West Tower (before Bark, drink from resist + fountains)
East Tower (before Bark) (drink from Fountain of Minimal Abilities, return Jewel of Ages to F4)
Temple of Bark (kill Barkman)(Save until you get 2 Obsidian weapons from chest Barkman is guarding. Make sure your Ninja can use one of the Obsidian weapons you have found so far! Everyone should have an Obsidian Weapon at this point.)
Sandcaster main city quest—this is optional, but the Speed bonuses are very helpful and you may need to get an item that boosts Int so that everyone can get to 100 Int to read all of the Necropolis books of the dead- the treasure here is a good bet for that (worst case scenario: just give the permanent Int bonuses by Xenoc to your Paladin- he’s the one whose levels gained helps your party the most).

Necropolis—first, set Beacon at Fountain of Ages in F4, visit +50 Int fountain on Clouds side- Darkstone Tower- 6N, 4E, read books of Dead (shuffle around an Int-enhancing item to read the last one)—portal to Fountain of Ages every 75-100 years of aging)
Return Sandro’s heart from sewer (make sure you save before talking to him)
Northern Tower (if you’re already high level, consider getting Euphoria throne bonus levels)
Get energy disks from Giants and/or Ogres and/or Southern Tower

These are pretty much the only quests I do. There's no reason to clear areas of monsters since there's very little benefit to it. Exp rewards from genies, Books of the Dead, and quests are much larger than the rewards from killing monsters, and you don't need to be particularly high level to beat the game when you have level-boosted Day of Protection-boosted characters with Obsidian Weapons and you visit the +2500 HP fountain.


Free levels that are easy to get:
Return statuettes (A4), Super-explorer statue above Witch Tower, Fountain of Life (East Tower), Book of Great Power (East tower) (either go to Shangri-la or buy skills back individually), Shangri-la well.

I usually won't get any of these free levels (except maybe Fountain of Life) until I max out at level 50 before going to the Dungeon of Lost Souls- then I'll get the Fountain of Life and the Book of Great Power, visit Shangri-La to buy all skills back for 600K and drink from the well there, then complete the statuettes quest. This puts you at level 61-62, which when combined with the C1 Shrine makes the rest of Darkside very easy.

At level 50+:
Take 15+ energy disks to Ellinger (get resistance bonuses) to get Kalindra restored, talk to Megan at Kalindra, to get key to Dungeon of Lost Souls, go there, get Songbird (give exp to Paladin if you plan to train again), rescue Queen Kalindra from Castle Blackfang (have to do bridle quest for Dimitri first, talk to Kalindra twice and then set Beacon here before getting her crown), get key to Pyramid, beat Pyramid (set Beacon at top), Corak’s ship, back to Pyramid, to Olympus (get Soulbox), back to Corak, to Alamar

Now complete the Clouds main quest. At this point it’s ridiculously easy and should take you under half an hour. Cave of Illusion- Tower of High Magic- Darzog’s Tower (set Beacon at top). Buy Newcastle for 50K gold- go to Mirabeth for key to Temple of Yak, Temple of Yak, build next level of Newcastle, get key to Tomb of 1000 Terrors, go there, finish building Castle, get Xeen Slayer Sword, teleport back to Darzog’s Tower, go fight Lord Xeen.

Amazing. You should record and publish a speedrun.

I just beat Clouds and Darkside in 3 hrs, 45 minutes. I was using the 2 Archer party, which definitely seems superior for finishing quickly. I still didn't have any hard fights even with only 2 Barbarians. Having 2 Beacons was great- I made the run to the A1 2500 HP fountain very early, set a Beacon there, and was completely invulnerable for a long time as a result. I also used the backup trick a lot: the West Tower, the East Tower, Lakeside, Sandcaster, the Great Pyramid- pretty much everywhere the enemies are strong and have ranged attacks.

The time breakdown by part of the game was as follows:
50 Minutes- Create party, go to Castleview and do that portion, back to Vertigo and do the early Clouds-side portion in the guide (Count Du Money, Shangri-La, Rivercity, Nightshadow, etc.). After 50 minutes I was ready to head back to the Darkside.
1 hr, 55 minutes- Complete all of the listed quests on the Darkside before the Dungeon of Lost Souls and the end sequence.
25 minutes- beat the Clouds side (Teleport helps to find Megacredits really quickly in the dungeons).
35 minutes- complete the rest of the Darkside.

I got a little lucky in this game as follows:
At the start I rolled well (given that I wasn't rolling for that long) and managed to get a 20 Int for one of my archers. Then I found a ring of +2 Int in Shangri-La—22 Int is enough to get you 40 sp at level 10. So I skipped the Dwarf Caves entirely. My Barbarians were a little slower, but I think this was the right choice. The other time you can clearly skip the Dwarf Caves is if you get an item that boosts speed in the Dragon Caves treasure and this boosts your speed high enough that you can beat the Sorceresses in Rivercity without Day of Sorcery. It should be easy to beat them without Day of Sorcery or a speed boost if you run back to Vertigo to get more HP part of the way through the final room (this seems a little cheap to me). I forgot to add Nature's Cure to the list of spells to buy in Shangri-La; you also might be able to win by casting Nature's Cure a few times in between battles in the final room (again, this works because of the back-up trick).

I found an Obsidian Club in Morgana's treasure in Sandcaster. This meant that when I reached the Temple of Bark I only cared about getting one Obsidian Weapon. Then I got really lucky and found an Obsidian Scimitar Monster Masher in Barkman’s chest. An Obsidian Monster-Mashing weapon is the best item in the game and will let you take out the Dungeon of Lost Souls with ease (Minotaurs and Gorgons are "monsters"- so are Annihilators and Autobots). I'd have taken this even if I only had 5 Obsidian Weapons total, but it was nice to still have 6 and the Monster Mashing Scimitar. I found a Wisdom Amulet at some point early on, and this meant that I didn’t have to worry about getting to 100 Int for the final book of the dead (“lowest Int� character had 11 Int—a few were below 10 but the Fountain of Minimal Abilities in East Tower took care of this: 11+ 19 from Bark + 50 from Clouds-side fountain + 22 from the Medal= 102).

Quests that weren't important:
The Yang Knights should probably be skipped, since you don't get much out of it (although it’s really fast). However, I remember that the first time I played through this game I considered beating them a big accomplishment because it was such a tough battle. So it’s very satisfying to beat them in the first hour of playing the game.

Asp- Asp might be unnecessary. It’s awfully quick, though, and the slight HP boost over Vertigo is nice for a short while.

I never remembered to go back to complete Valio’s quest, steal his treasure and kill him after beating the Queen Rat. This was probably for the best.

The Southern Tower was useless, as I ended up with 2 extra energy disks (only disks I missed were the Ogres’s). I had been planning to read from the Book of Power in the East Tower and then use the 300K from the Southern Tower to help buy all skills at Shangri-La (as I thought I might run into gold troubles otherwise) but didn’t end up doing this, so the extra gold wasn’t remotely important.

Sandcaster- the speed bonuses and treasure that you get are nice, but I might wait until after the Temple of Bark in the future to see if I really need to do this.

Other notes:
I trained to get everyone to level 10, then again I think after solving the Merchant’s riddles in Sandcaster before going to Lakeside (Paladin level 18- everyone else 14-15). Then I trained again, I think after beating Lakeside, West Tower, East Tower, South Tower and Sandcaster (Paladin about level 22, everyone else about 18-19). Then I trained after reading the Books of the Dead, Returning Sandro’s Heart, and beating the North Tower and Temple of Bark (Paladin level 50, everyone else level 48).

At this point I decided that I’d go to do the Clouds side and then train everyone else to level 50 with the experience from there. I probably should have just gotten the bonus levels in the Northern Tower instead- there’s a little too much traveling/training time this way. I also stopped and got a few of the +5/10 ability bonuses on the top two floors of the Cave of Illusion—not sure this mattered.

I never used a single free level bonus. It wasn’t important. I didn’t get the Euphoria Thrones in the Northern Tower because I was so confident that I wouldn’t need it to get through the Dungeon of Lost Souls given that I had a Monster-Mashing Scimitar—but then I ended up doing Clouds first and training again, which means I probably should have gotten this in the first place. For a lot of the game I was using the +15 levels shrine at C2 (1,8) because it’s so easy to get to with Town Portal Necropolis, 9E, 3S.

Before beating Alamar, I went into the Castle’s Dungeon and got the key to the Dragon Tower (and pulled a switch so that you can access this area from Shangri-La). This is a good time-saver before doing the World of Xeen portion and with the Monster-Mashing Scimitar, killing Annihilators wasn’t a problem.

I forgot this note about the Worlds portion: the Xeen Slayer Sword can hurt creatures that are normally immune to physical damage. I’m not sure if this is a feature or a bug. In particular, this means that you can beat the creatures on the Elemental Water and Air planes and you don’t have to worry about buying Implosion for an archer (or the spell points to cast it all those times).

Before going to the Dungeon of Lost Souls I set a Beacon at Dimitri. Then I left the Beacon there for easy retrieval of Queen Kalindra’s Crown. I never needed to Beacon back to A1 after this so I didn’t lose any time by giving up my beacon at A1 (since you need a second beacon to set at Queen Kalindra in Blackfang’s basement). Two beacons lets you set one at the Dragon Pharoah, go to Corak, set the other one at Corak, Beacon back to the Dragon Pharoah, Town Portal to Olympus, and Beacon back to Corak. The end of Darkside felt like a total blur thanks to all of the beacons.

That's about all I can think of at the moment- let me know if you have any questions about what I did.

I completed the World of Xeen sequence. It took me 35 minutes. It could have taken less, but I had never played through this part of the game with speed in mind and made a few mistakes.

Worlds Overview:
Go to Olympus and train with the gold you have. Prioritize your Paladin for the majority of the level gaining, since you’ll have more levels than you can afford. Go to 1000 SP fountain and 2500 HP fountain but don’t go to a level-boosting fountain.

Dragon Tower- go straight up the center stairs. Get key card (Infinity-don’t type this one in wrong!) from statue on Dragon Cloud. Drink from and set Beacon at 50 level fountain on Cloud (keep another Beacon at 2500 HP fountain).

Return via Shangri-la to Alamar Dungeon. Buy Divine Intervention for your Paladin while you’re down here. To get to Alamar Dungeon: step off Dragon Cloud—it treats you as on Darkside if you try to Town Portal from the Cloud itself, Town Portal to Vertigo, take mirror portal to Shangri-La.

Go to Darkstone Tower (stepping off Dragon Cloud lands you at base of Darkstone Tower). Make sure you have the +50 level boost and then cast the Days spells before doing any fighting in Darkstone Tower.
Fight way to top of tower. Save before fighting the Golems—they drain spell points and you should probably reload if your Paladin or both Archers get drained of SP. The gongs on the top level do a lot of damage and you’ll probably have to portal out for more HP—this is why it’s good to still have all of your spell points. Get key card on top level (120). You can set a Beacon up here, but it only saves a little time. Back to Alamar dungeon.

Free Roland, get key to Southern Sphinx. Get Ever-hot Lava Rock (Clouds E2?) and then visit Halon the Inventer in Clouds B4 to get Widget, then go to Southern Sphinx.
Go straight to stairs up (Picard). Cast Divine Intervention if you get cursed along the way to the stairs. Trade Widget for Chime of Opening

Wake Elemental Sleepers on Darkside. Town Portal to Castleview, climb the hut in A3, then Teleport all around the skyroads (What are you seeking?—Earth, Air, Fire, Water)

Wait! What about the Reflectors on the Clouds-side of Xeen? It turns out you don’t actually have to do that to beat the game. It seems like the game won’t let you win without Xeen’s Scepter, the Cube of Power, and the Elemental Sleepers (although I haven’t tested out every permutation here), but it doesn’t require you to activate the Reflectors.

Go back to Darkstone Tower, climb to top and circle around until you get to main Pyramid. Make sure you don’t go past 5 am (find the nearest rest stop when it’s past 4 am and just hit spacebar until the new day). Save the game every so often because it’s easy to accidentally step off the cloud.

That’s it. I forgot to include the length of the animation at the end of Darkside of Xeen the last time, and that plus the animation at the end of World of Xeen adds about 6 minutes to the walkthrough. Note: you don’t have to ever see the Clouds ending, since you get the Scepter after killing Lord Xeen and the game only shifts to the ending if you click on the mirror. I’ve probably rounded the estimated five-minute increments down more often than up throughout this summary so let’s call these animations 10 minutes to balance that out. That’s a total of 4 ½ hours for Clouds, Darkside, and World of Xeen.

I wouldn’t recommend trying this for 4 ½ hours straight. I played this game in four sittings (the first 50 minutes, the next 1 hr 55 minutes, beating Clouds and the end of Darkside, beating World of Xeen), which was much more enjoyable and probably faster than trying to play straight through. It also let me figure out the exact order I wanted to go in as I went along. To play through the game in one sitting in as little time as possible, you’d want to have recently completed the game on a speed run so that you didn’t have to pause to contemplate your next move. This was my third speed run in the last month, and I could probably get a faster time given another try (but I got lucky on magic items this time, and there are clearly diminishing returns at this point).

Lastly, the walkthrough and maps by Andrew Schultz are really good and it’s probably the best single source of information to have as you play. Those links are:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/dos...me/564553.html
http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/dos...me/564552.html

You might get some inspiration there:
http://speeddemosarchive.com

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kmonster @ May 29 2007, 04:23 PM) [snapback]291988[/snapback]</div>Man, I don't think I can compete with someone who can beat Contra in under 15 minutes without picking up a single special item :). It seems like a solely speed-oriented run would involve completing the game in a lot of segments (which you'd then try to optimize individually), which to me detracts from the point of trying to beat it as fast as possible in the first place.

My original goal in playing through the game as fast as possible was that I pulled this game out for the first time in years last year. After I beat it, I found that the game wasn't nearly as hard as I remembered it to be. When I mentioned this to the cousin who introduced me to the game, he said that he plays through the game about once a year and typically beats it in 4-6 hours. I didn't believe that at the time so this year when I felt like playing through the game again, I decided to see how fast I could do it. Then I decided to hone my strategy from there, but I don't intend to spend the summer trying to pull off the impossible 2 hr run. I'm kind of sick of the game as it is :)

Not at all. You don't have to divide the run into segments, unless you feel like it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(trisha_x @ Apr 28 2005, 09:51 AM) [snapback]101494[/snapback]</div>I believe you're talking about the Megadragon on top of Alamar's castle on the Darkside?

You've need to have at least two Cleric-types in the party (I had a Cleric and a Paladin) to keep casting Divine Intervention (when people die) and Resurrection (When people get eradicated).

I managed to do it, but that was some 12 years ago. I also think my characters were absurdly high level.

It's actually even possible to defeat this dragon without a character dying.

He attacks with energy, so for the defense try to get up the the energy resistance and luck stat by visiting locations which raise them temporary as much as possible, do also get the character levels up before casting "Shield" or "DoS" to reduce the damage as much as possible. This way eradication hardly ever happens since only little damage will get through.

Offensive buffing with wells, shrines and spells is also very useful.

The sorcerer spell which makes dragons sleep and and the cleric spell which halves enemy hitpoints are very useful in the battle.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kmonster @ Jun 14 2007, 11:39 AM) [snapback]294428[/snapback]</div>I was under the impression that the Megadragon is immune to these spells (and everything besides physical damage). I just tried fighting the Megadragon and Mass Distortion didn't work any of the times I tried it. My Archer didn't have Dragon Sleep so I didn't try that one. To beat the Megadragon without anyone dying, you need to get lucky.

I took my party of 3 HOrc Barbs, 1 Dwarf Ninja, 1 Human Paladin, 1 Human Archer (Paladin level 150, rest level 110) and visited the the +50 level fountain on Dragon Cloud, the fountain in Vertigo for full HP, the A1 fountain for +2500 HP, the +all resistances fountain in B1, and the +100 luck fountain in B4 and cast (post-level buff) Day of Sorcery and Day of Protection. I remember fighting the Megadragon 10-12 times- of those I only lost one fight but I think I only beat it without a character dying once or twice. Typically I'd lose 1-3 party members. Obsidian Dragon Slaying weapons could help shorten the fight but your resistance/protection is never going to get high enough that the Megadragon can't damage you, so there's always a chance of Eradication.

Edit- I forgot- if you want the best chance to beat the Megadragon without having anyone die, you can get a ton of Kinetic Items from one of the merchants on Gem Lake in the skyroads.

The Megadragon is resistant to "Mass Distortion" and "Dragon Sleep", but not immune. (at least in my version)
Even if many attempts will fail, the chance to inflict up to 32,000 HP damage or to make it miss one attack opportunity is well worth it, especially since casters do lousy physical damage compared to barbarians.

I was curious if anyone knew how the combat mechanics worked, more specifically how significant the advantage is with having an obsidian weapon. Aside from the bonus to hit value, I'm wondering what exactly the +50 to damange entails. I guess the main question would be if this number is simply an addition after your damage calculation, or if its integrated into your calculation where more importantly if it is involved in any "multiplication" type of formula. My guess considering some tests with "Identify Monster" seems to indicate its NOT just a simple added bonus of +50 damage but some sort of multiplication factor based on your Level. This will sound a little obscure I admit but I wanted a party with all Platinum equipment and was wondering exactly how much of a disadvantage I would have with an identical party using Obsidian equipment. Thanks in advance for any help.

The damage bonus obviously applies to all attacks per round the character has. Don't forget that Obsidian weapons also get a to hit bonus.
I've got the impression that AC somehow subtracts from the damage dealt, so if the AC subtracts 1,000 from damage dealt an attacker capable of doing 1,500 damage will get 10 times the effect an attacker capable of doing 1,050 damage. You probably already realized that a barbarian does more than twice the damage than a paladin, although he get's less than 1.5 times the attacks.

I guess the game is surely playable with platinum weapons, the lower weapon damage just has to be evened out by more attacks per round (higher levels) or more spell use.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(wendymaree @ Apr 27 2005, 07:01 PM) [snapback]101149[/snapback]</div>
I´m living a big problem. i was playing, wen in the dark side raises a gameprotection, and the quest can´t stop.
in the manual of this site the word asked dosen´t fit with the the page/line/word. how can i continue playing?

pedro- the code sheet you can get in this thread works for everything on the Clouds side (although it may take you a few tries). The only place on Darkside where you need a code (from what I remember) is leaving Castleview through the gate. You can always Town Portal to just outside the city, or go out through the Sewers. I'm pretty sure that the Castleview code check doesn't get activated until you've completed some segment of the game (maybe based on the Clouds side?) so by then you should have Town Portal.

Soaks a couple of hours in anyway, don't it?
Praise Mok for those star trek references in darkside.
Those precious moments of eye rolling were about all the reality I got until I finished the thing.

Oh YEA! World of Xeen totally owns. I remember playing it as a kid when I was still in Primary School (Elementary School equivalent).

And I agree that MM6 is by the best of the series. It really is a shame that the sequels turned out mediocre :tai: I'm still hoping and praying (now that Ubisoft has acquired the rights to JVC's brainchild) that Might and Magic X will be made and take the world by storm as it did in 1997.

Anyway, back to discussing WoX. One of the biggest annoyances I faced playing MM4 & MM5 (especially towards the end of the game) is that while your characters are now really, really powerful, there's just no one left for them to pulverise, except the Megadragon (and in which case the party normally is the one that gets pulverised).

While it's a small problem, it does affect the replayability of the game somewhat. This of course is unlike MM6 where monsters keep respawning and nothing beats the feeling of felling the almighty Titans with meteor showers and blasters over and over and over again; or unlike MM2 where random encounters mean that there will be no shortage of posteriors to kick.

Another problem also about MM4 & MM5 is the shortage of gold during late game. Once you hit Lv 120+, the cost for training becomes incredulously astronomical and unless you cheat, there does not seem to be enough gold to finish training. Or perhaps that's just me :P Does anyone know of any tips to ensure a constant flow of gold?

One of my gold-making schemes is to buy Plate Armours, enchant them and sell 'em back. However, gems are also in limited supply and this process is painstaking at best. I'd be most grateful if anyone could give me some tips and tricks on how to make more money. Thanks :)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eddie G. @ Jul 29 2007, 12:43 AM) [snapback]301783[/snapback]</div>When I want to get to really high levels, here's how I do it (quoting myself from earlier in this thread). This is the fastest real time way I could find, although it takes a lot of game time:

Interest rates on Xeen are very good. You'll inevitably run out of money for training in the late game- if you kill Barkman, though, that should give you enough gold to train to at least level 50, which can get you through Darkside (particularly the Great Pyramid where there's a huge treasure pile) and then the Dragon Tower where there's a lot more treasure. Then (probably before you go to the Dragon Clouds) just put all of this gold in the bank and go work (Castleview/Rivercity/Vertigo, I think) for the next 25 (or so) years. 25 years multiplies your money by about a factor of 15, and 50 million gold (which you won't have any trouble accumulating with this strategy) is easily enough to train all of your characters to level 120. Aging penalties start around age 35, but don't kick in a second time until about 50, so you'll only have a few stats go down with this strategy.

This sure beats endless trips to the Gemstone Mines, or enchanting and selling items all day! It was particularly amusing that I had so much gold left over that I could pay the 4 million gold in the Southern Sphinx to be protected from the traps and then walk right through them.

If you don't use this trick, the game doesn't take much game time at all to complete (so you can afford to spend a lot of years working to accumulate gold since you really won't age much besides when you use this trick). I think the primary reason people take a lot of game time is that they don't realize that going to shops takes a day and/or they rest when they could just visit fountains (Vertigo/Rivercity being the easiest) to restore sp/hp. If you're judicious about not going to shops often or resting, the game is very quick.

Also, aging penalties at 35 are very mild- something like -2 physical ability scores, +1 mental ability scores. Then you don't suffer any more aging penalties until around age 50. I'd trade -2 physical ability scores for +40 levels of training any day.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ElricXeen @ Jun 30 2007, 07:54 AM) [snapback]297180[/snapback]</div>
hmm... i thought the game comes with a crack? So far I've been using it... no problems as of yet..

Someone's currently playing WoX and recording it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdwzpS4cHIQ

One advice for powergamers:
I found out that if you turn off the PC (or end dosbox) while you're in the inn where you created your characters you keep your freshly created characters.
This way you can split creating your characters over several days without having to leave and reenter the inn which takes a full day time. (doesn't really matter for "normal" players however)

Hi guys quick question:

I've beaten M&M4 and M&M5 back in the past separately. Now I don't know if it's worth it to replay them as World of Xeen.

I NEED TO KNOW how many NEW dungeons are in WoX as opposed to M&M4 and M&M5 separately. I *know* there is The Dragon Tower with new boss - The Dragon King but are there anymore?

Maybe some new overland areas? How about new quests in WoX?

It would be too tedious to replay this mammoth for one new dungeon only although it would be pretty sweet cause I love M&M :)

Thanks for your replies.

It's not as big as MM4 or MM5, but not very small either.
You can visit all the areas which were unaccessible in your stand-alone games, like the dungeon of death (several big levels), southern sphinx, dragon tower, dark tower some areas in the clouds, ...
You can make the replay more interesting if you use a different style, like a no-reload game.

There's nothing particularly good added, but the Dungeon of Death is a new challenge.
If that's enough for you, go for it :ok:

This games amazingly huge. You won't need another RPG for a long time after getting this one.

This game is boss. I have been playing this game since it was first released. A great addition and a truely classic RPG. You need to play this game.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kmonster @ Aug 22 2007, 07:46 PM) [snapback]306075[/snapback]</div>Thanks, so it's like 4 new dungeons. Hmm... I think I'll try to beat it afterall. It's been 12 years since I finished M&M4 & M&M5, I don't think I remember much of those two games.

Thanks again.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ian @ Aug 31 2005, 08:50 PM) [snapback]149888[/snapback]</div>HELP!!! I'm trying to download World of Xeen from MM Trilogy CD and having same problem. MM3 downloaded fine but I'm having problems with MM4 and MM5. It says that there isn't enough memory and I need 51,400 more bytes of memory. My computer has over 20G of free memory so I'm not sure what this means. Has anyone run into same problem? Thx.

In this case, "memory" doesn't mean hard drive space.
Run the game in DOSBox.

or right click xeen.com and select auto in EMS, memory tab

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_fifth_horseman @ Sep 5 2007, 12:22 PM) [snapback]308977[/snapback]</div>
I'm sorry. What is DOSBox? Is this another term for MS DOS? Thx.

DOSBox is a DOS emulator that will allow you to run old games on modern systems. You can find a link to the download here
http://www.abandonia.com/main.php?nav=programs

Also, in my signature, there is a link, click it for a walkthrough on how to set it up.

Feel free to browse the forums for answers if you should have any problems, and if you can't find the answers, feel free to post the problems you are having in Troubleshooting. Please include exact error messages and descriptions of the problems as well as an exact/detailed description of what you did when you got those problems.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Sep 5 2007, 09:32 PM) [snapback]309090[/snapback]</div>
I'm sorry. What is DOSBox? Is this another term for MS DOS? Thx.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(_r.u.s.s. @ Sep 5 2007, 01:36 PM) [snapback]308983[/snapback]</div>

anyone know the formula for figuring out how much money you will need to reach a certain experience? Trying to get an idea for how much money i would need to save from the start if my goal is say 200 for a party of 2.

I think the formula is something like;
Get much higher than 100 = Massive pain in the arse to level regardless of how much money you've saved

Training costs are
(character level) * (character level) * 10

I'm playing a solo game as a sorcerer and everything was going fine until i got what i was hoping to get, box of townportal. Since I'm a sorceror this was to be my main method of travelling around to towns in a flash. Only trouble is that when i use it (by selecting "use" from misc) the game crashes. Does anyone know of this bug and a workaround/fix patch per chance?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest_Jono_* @ Sep 6 2007, 12:13 AM) [snapback]309182[/snapback]</div>kmonster's formula is correct, but not necessarily what you're looking for in practice.

To a close degree of approximation, if your entire party is currently level Y and wish to train your entire party up to level X, the amount of gold you will need is:

20*X^3 - 20*Y^3

So to train from level 1 to 100 (X=100, Y=1) takes about 20*(100)^3 - 20= 20 million gold!

The exact formula happens to be 10*(2X+1)(X+1)X - 10*(2Y+1)(Y+1)Y

When I want to get to really high levels, here's how I do it (quoting myself from earlier in this thread). This is the fastest real time way I could find, although it takes a lot of game time:

Interest rates on Xeen are very good. You'll inevitably run out of money for training in the late game- if you kill Barkman, though, that should give you enough gold to train to at least level 50, which can get you through Darkside (particularly the Great Pyramid where there's a huge treasure pile) and then the Dragon Tower where there's a lot more treasure. Then (probably before you go to the Dragon Clouds) just put all of this gold in the bank and go work (Castleview/Rivercity/Vertigo, I think) for the next 25 (or so) years. 25 years multiplies your money by about a factor of 15, and 50 million gold (which you won't have any trouble accumulating with this strategy) is easily enough to train all of your characters to level 120. Aging penalties start around age 35, but don't kick in a second time until about 50, so you'll only have a few stats go down with this strategy.

This sure beats endless trips to the Gemstone Mines, or enchanting and selling items all day! It was particularly amusing that I had so much gold left over that I could pay the 4 million gold in the Southern Sphinx to be protected from the traps and then walk right through them.

If you don't use this trick, the game doesn't take much game time at all to complete (so you can afford to spend a lot of years working to accumulate gold since you really won't age much besides when you use this trick). I think the primary reason people take a lot of game time is that they don't realize that going to shops takes a day and/or they rest when they could just visit fountains (Vertigo/Rivercity being the easiest) to restore sp/hp. If you're judicious about not going to shops often or resting, the game is very quick.

Also, aging penalties at 35 are very mild- something like -2 physical ability scores, +1 mental ability scores. Then you don't suffer any more aging penalties until around age 50. I'd trade -2 physical ability scores for +40 levels of training any day.

And let's not forget that lvl 100 is enough for just about everything, including the mega dragon.

Unteresting that the page for WoX states this can not run on XP. I have this game off of my 3.5 by copying all the files from the disks into one directory and running the install. I ran the patch for the game and tweaked the sound settings. NO problem what so ever getting this run perfectly in XP - without DOSbox !!

BTW I have both cluebooks for the game. If anyone needs help post here and I will try to respond. Good luck. I'm back to finishing this game for a 3rd time!!!

here a trick for all of you who need a lot of money to get pass level 250 ;) When you start a game in world of xeen, just got at first city in darkside and go working for that guys who pay you 50 gold for a week of gold. Do it until you got 10 k of gold then go at bank and leave your money there so in that way you will make interest on your money =D. Go back working for that guy and each time you get 10 k of gold go at bank and deposite your money. Go back working and do it until you've got enough money in bank. BUT DONT GO OVER 1000 million cause if you do that your money at bank will start over ;) After your done with money juste make a new party at a tavern and do the game with more that 1000 million but watch your back gang cause interest you will make can make you loose all gold youve got cause there is a limit that you can hold there SAY ME THANX FOR THE TRICKS. last time ive play that game it was the fisrt month that the game was release and i remeber nearly all about this game cause mm4 and mm5 was the BEST GAME NEVER MADE ;) !!!!!

sorry for the mistake on my description but if someone avec some question about it then just ask ^^

I did a little testing recently and concluded that the Xeen Slayer Sword bypasses the resistance to physical damage of every creature in the game that I could find. This makes it ideal for taking down the creatures resistant (e.g., the Megadragon or Dragon Mummies) or immune to physical damage (e.g., the ghosts of Winterkill and the elementals on the planes of Air and Water). And, of course, you can get more with the "I Lost It" code at a mirror portal.

Also, you don’t have to kill the regular Lord Xeen in Castle Xeen to beat World of Xeen—you can kill one of the Lord Xeen’s in the Dungeon of Death instead and that will get you the Scepter if you don’t already have it (of course, if you aren’t using the I Lost It cheat you’d still have to build Newcastle to get a Xeen Slayer Sword to kill the Lord Xeens in the dungeon.

Normally you have to beat Lord Xeen in Castle Xeen in order to touch the 6th mirror to get the Clouds victory ("an invisible force protects the mirror" is the message you get if you try to touch it without defeating Lord Xeen via some sneaky teleport tricks). However, the force field is no longer there if you have the Scepter, which you can also get by beating one of the Lord Xeens in the Dungeon of Death. So if you've done this then you can teleport behind Lord Xeen in Castle Xeen, touch the mirror, and get the Clouds Victory. Even more amusingly, Castle Xeen doesn't disappear when you get the Clouds Victory so if you do that, you can go back to Castle Xeen after the ending sequence and Lord Xeen is still there!

The Xeen Slayer Sword is in fact extremely powerful when fighting the damage resistant monsters.
I did a little weapon testing with the mega dragon and my level 255 solo ninja.
Rounds needed to defeat the mega dragon (64k HP) depending on weapon:

Obsidian handaxe 38
Obsidian halberd 37
Obsidian trident dragon slayer 13
Xeen Slayer Sword 5

I did a little further testing with the magadragon, here the results

Fists ~600
Club 45
Halberd 44
Ruby dagger 43
Platinum halberd 42
Sapphire flail 41
Diamond handaxe 40
Obsidian handaxe 38
Obsidian halberd 37
Obsidian trident dragon slayer 13
Xeen Slayer Sword 5


- a fully buffed barbarian (level 305+level 255 day of protection) could take out the megadragon in 3 hits with the xeen slayer sword.
- with optimal preparation you can survive more than 170 rounds with the megadragon
- x3 weapons are great since the x3 applies to all bonusses. A simple glass club dragon slayer would have been more than twice as damaging than any obsidian weapon.
- at high levels it doesn't matter how lousy your weapon is, the damage difference between obsidian flamberge and nonmagical club is only about 20 percent
- it's important to wield a weapon, no matter how poor it is, it's still far better than using fists.

Downloading Trouble
 

Has anyone tried to download this game recently? It takes a ton of time (at least for me) to get to the "Get It" screen and then once I click on Get It, it times out and I get nothing. Any ideas? Running XP and Firefox and no luck.

Just for the record, I found this site yesterday and managed to download the game just fine, and got it working (as seems common, I had to run the install.exe and set the sound to Soundblaster Pro). Now I can run the game just fine through DosBox.

I noticed none of the NPCs have speech... is that possible to get?

I know they all did when I last played this, but I played on a CD-ROM version for the Macintosh. Did later PC versions also have speech? If so, does the copy on this site have it, and I just need to tweak settings, or do I need to find a copy (for example, I have a M&M Millienium Collection lying around somewhere)...

Better yet, could we get an upload of a version with speech? ;)

Can't say that i remember the NPCs having speech in world of xeen but then the game i last played it like over 10 years ago , back then , when i bought it , it was in diskette format and i doubt that it had speech. (not that there's a lot of speech to be said - just the same things in armory , bank , etc).

Didn't even know there's a CD version of world of xeen. :D

I have Interplay's "Ultimate RPG Archives" which contains the CD version of this game.
And yes, it has speech for all NPCs (they have audio tracks on the CD) and no, the disk version never had speech.

Very nice games ;)

I definitely agree ;)

I managed to find an edition of this game included with Might and Magic VI at Big Lots a couple of years back...it includes 1-5 and Swords of Xeen. This is a classic series, and World of Xeen is one of the pinnacles of the CRPG genre.

One thing I have noticed though...recently I have been watching RPGenie's Might and Magic videos on YouTube (so far he has posted videos on MM1 NES, MM2 SNES, MM3 SNES, World of Xeen, VI, and VII), and it seems that the quality of the music in his World of Xeen (starting at like video 21) is far superior to the version I have.

Does he have some special enhanced edition? I read somewhere that the version I have is supposedly the disk version, but it does have speech. I would link to the videos, but I haven't read all of the stickies yet, so I don't know if it's okay to link to them or not.

I didn't see anything in the rules about not linking to YouTube, so here is the video I'm referencing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUglS...eature=related

Run install and play around with the sound card selections. Different sound cards sound differently.

I tried that...there was definitely a difference in sound, but nothing like the quality heard in that video. Roland sounded a little better than Soundblaster when it came to certain instruments, but overall sounded much worse, like it's out of sync or something. Adlib was essentially the same as Soundblaster. DosBox doesn't seem to support any other sound hardware (at least that can be selected from the MMIV install utility).

Just in case you missed this: When you change the sound configuration in the game, you should also change it correspondingly in the dosbox config file.

Need to say - one of my favourite games. It took me a year to convince myself to play through its initially .. curious graphics, which I now think are lovely.

Any views on Swords of Xeen? I'm finding it less interesting, and more difficult.

Game runs on XP
 

This game runs on XP fine without DOSBox. If you click on mm5crack.com and click properties, under memory set them all to auto and then run go.bat and the game lauches and runs fine. If you do that it creates a mm5crack.pif file and the game runs moother this way then under DOSBox.

Problem with this method is when you exit the game it puts you back in Windows with a 640x480 screen resolution with 256 colors so everything is hard to see and looks horrible untill you reset the resolution.

Anyone know if there is something that can be enabled or disabled in the pif file so that when you exit the game you are using the default resolution under Windows not 640x480. Maybe a command could be used in the go.bat file to do that? If so what would that command be?

No such animal. Windows runs the DOS applications in their native resolutions.

Save Game Editor
 

Anyone happen to have the excellent editor that once existed for this game? It allowed you to edit all of your characters as well as give and modify the items your pary had. The editor was advanced and simple to use. Was a great editor and the very few that can be found on the net pale in comparison to it.

It probably exists on a floppy disk somewhere forever lost and never to be seen again.

Nope, but I figure it could be recreated, provided we have proper data about offsets and their values.

Offsets
 

Came across a site with that info. Showed where character data, stats, items etc were stored. Having problems finding it again. Have not hex edited values in a game for quite some time. Easier editing what is running in memory with ArtMoney on current games.

Universal Game Editor
 

Found that Universal Game Editor with the Dark Savant module will edit most things in World Of Xeen. Am not for cheating to much in games but always tend do so a little once the game has been completed. Mainly wanted a character or save game editor to change the aging of characters in the game.

At one time I knew where everything was in this game. It is a great game considering the year it came out but the mapping system is not as robust as I wish it was. I figure my characters will be practially dead by the time I get close to completion of this game again so wanted to not have to worry about that to much.

Just wanted to let others know what to use if they wanted to do the same with this classic.

downloading
 

where can you actually download the game on this page

sorry for the question my anti virus was blocking the downloading links

way the hell do I need a password for living Vertigo and where can I find it

Where is this password protection , pls?
 

Mates,
I want to play Clouds of Xeen. But after I killed all monsters in Vertigo and try to leave the city, game asked me for some password. No idea. I lost 2 days to search for this protection in the Inet, no result.
Maybe some good person will be so kind to help me.
By the way I played the game about 6-7 times. But because my version was let say ah.. you-know .. I was unable to kill the Lord Xeen in the last battle with magical sword found in the underground of the Newcastle dungeon after password "laboratory"..
Then I started Darkside - same version .. of course same bad result. Well, now I want to wipe this lord forever, because my fight with this enemy is long.
But I need your kind help.
I am experienced and dedicated RPG player and need only this password.
Ty for yr help.
yoga
:)

this should help you. during the search of 40 pages i found 2 pic and 2 pdf. i have also the german version and all needing code in german.

Paco YOU are great
 

Hurray

Vielen Dank!
Danke Sehr!
Merci , mon ami.
Ty.

yoga

Yes I tried. It worked. The word was "magic" and the door opened..

Now take care Lord Xeen.
The powerful yoga is after you.
:):laugh::idea:

the ''word'' really is a magic :wacko:

how can I change the resolution of the games in VDMSounds

What's the problem, exactly?

Nothing there is no problem
I want to change the resolution of the game like in the screenshots
because when I play the game it`s in native resolution 740x... something like that
can I change the resolution?
I use VDMSound

Unfortunately, no.
VDMSound runs games at their native resolutions only.
If you want to run the game in a window, use aspect correction or scalers (or any combination of these), you need to use DOSBox.

Lol,I love this guy :D

Progress and advance..
 

Hello, mates,
..Hey, Bodensee boy, Clouds of Xeen is a long game. Anyway thanks to your valuable help conc. door protection I already conquered all area excepts The Fire sector (Right UP) and The desert (Left UP). Central map water zone is still not Besuchen weil die monsters sind very very strong and my power ( 11-12 levels ) is not high still..
Right now I swiped these nasty, but very strong Barbarians located in the hills before the desert.
My plane is as follows:
-1. To delete all moving items on the land territory. 5 towns also.
-2. To enter and fight all castles and other towers.
-3. To goto undergrounds caves and so on. Shangri-la is my only problem zone. Well, more or less I still think what action is better: To enter shangri-la using mirrors or using the battle way passing fire zone and going down? Probably I will use mirror and then carefully prepared will start my battle way to the land surface.
Wow, this is not easy way, but yoga is trained veteran..
-4. The last actions are sky zones, stepping slowly and wisely to the final scene: yoga versus lord Xeen.
Yes, all forum members are kindly invited to see my victory. The battle theater is free. Cold free beer also. Front best places are reserved for nice Capo, Scatty, The 5-th horseman, Paco.. Pls all good people are invited. Sorry, no cats and dogs allowed.Anyway it is a serious battle but not bridge party.
Dank je wel.
yoga:idea:

i would swap to darkside of Xeen and train. the Monster in Clouds of Xeen are very weak and you can train only to LVL 20! But on darkside of Xeen the Monster are very strong (especially Armadillo) but you can train up to far over LVL 200 and up. Key for some Dungeon in Clouds of Xeen can you only find it in darkside of Xeen!

Shangri-La is connected to the Fire-Sector. so if you cant beat the Monster there forget to leave Shangri-La to foot. Better is to buy a Portal-Spell and enter Shangri-La via Mirror, because Shangri-La has al ot useful Stuff.

I always swap between Clouds and Darkside to do Quest and get stronger. Tip: If you beginn in Darkside you are LVL 5 and then swap to Clouds you are a lot stronger than if you beginn in Clouds (only LVL 1).

i like cola not beer and then i need Chips. ^^

Temporary peace with Lord Xeen
 

Hi, Paco,
I am progressing steady...
Well, today when you're in Darkside pls stop and turn back.
You'll see an approaching figure with cloak and cowl.
" Who, the hell, is this stranger?" thinks Capo and hands his sword.
Relax. Just said:
- Hi, yoga.. Wie geht es Ihnen?
Yes, it is me : black hairs mit Blue Augen.
(Sorry, mates, some german words for Capo).
I am bringing you some supply incl. cold coca, chips and so on.
And I politely will learn You how to kill this nasty Armadillio.
Then we will restore our magical and muscular strength and continue our battle.
Yes, seriously, I am in Castelview right now. I need a little more time to familiarize with present places. Now I am hunting after Goblin king. Then I will inspect the underground water wastage canals.
Will be real pleasure to progrees together ahead..
I will leave for a while Clouds and give Lord Xeen some more days life.

Greetings
from
small, sunny and lovely Bulgaria
the country of the dedicated gamer yoga
not dedicated but crazy :laugh:

Bodensee is warm now?