Recently many treads closed before most of us can write our thoughts.

I am not sure if this is frustrating to rest of you guys, but to me it is becoming so.

I don't have anything against admins, but they should more help in conflicts, not preventing communication. And yes, I don't believe in pre-emptive strikes.

Also I believe it is better to say what do you think and be over with it, then to keep it in your self, and accumulate... (That’s why often we have to go off-topic, as other issues get discussed in topic that is similar to closed one)

Take it easy guys. :bye:

come on, close it. you know you want to. it'll be funny!

Anubis, I can only speak from my experience at the Mordor forums, obviously, but it's generally NOT a good idea to start discussing modding actions in public. It simply won't lead anywhere. If there's been a particular action which you thought wasn't fair, the best way to go about it is always to PM the mod who was responsible for it and discuss the matter directly with him/her. :)

but this applies to most admins/mods.
and yes, I often find an interesting topic just to find someone got trigger-happy..

AJ,

Forum is public place, and concerns and comments should be welcomed, at least I think... :blink:

Lucky for us - our mods/admins are our friends and they don't get mean if people ask them nice question or two - even in public!

Yes, I find it irretating sometimes, but on the other hand I've also asked for a few topics to get closed (after everything has been said and done - like I've a question... three answeres are given, the person thanks them, because the right answer has been given - so no point in keeping the thread open).

But there might be simillar problems in the future and what's the point to close them anyway?

A lot of times one problem leads in another one... same with discussions, one discussion might lead to other one, which is driven by interest of posters.

Trying to keep all discussion on the topic will result in a lot of unhappy people and less visits to the forum.

Also, if someone bump old post, has to say something about some topic from past, we great him with closing topic and warning not to bump old topics. Why we then don't either close them od purge them, if they not meant to be used?

Well most of it is handled on case-to case basis. If there's a birthday thread - and you wish to reply in it after half a year... what's the point?
But threads like Jokes can resurface at any time - and will always go on. You can also always contact a mod/admin and aske them to reopen a thread.

Oops, sorry, guys, I think you misunderstood me there. I wasn't implying that on our forums we have overly strict mods who won't let you ask a question in public and punish you if you do so. (Why would I say such a thing about myself?)

It's just that... well... I can see why someone may want to lock a thread. As a mod it's part of your job to keep the forum more or less tidy so it'll be accessible not only to the regular members but also to visitors who are just browsing. It's an extremely frustrating experience if you visit a forum and not a single thread is on-topic. And topics can spin out of control very quickly, especially on a forum as large as this one. I've seen several of those around here during the time when I was only lurking and wondering whether I should register. (two words: The Pope)
Don't get me wrong: I do agree that a certain amount of off-topic chattiness is fun, but things can get messy very quickly and then it's much harder to clean up afterwards...

Well, maybe I'd better just shut up. :tomato:

No, don't shut up. Every comment (and yours is right on target) is welcome... that reminds me - WELCOME!!! :Brain: :Brain: :Brain:

:ot: :D

@Luchsen: :ot:

haven't we gone through all this before?

We will close the thread when we think it's either pointless or spammy.

I did not discuss this and even if I've found topic, why to post when you will close it because I might bump old topic and in your opinion it is pointless…

SO you close it without contacting person and based on your personal judgment, comfort, temperature.... :blink: :sneaky:

Don't get me wrong, I don't have nothing against topics being closed for a good reason, but something you might categorize 'pointless' and it might not be so pointless in reality.

Hope you see my point. ;)

Also, why people have to be scared or under presure to post on the forum, and hope some upset admin will not see their post as spam? (I’m not referring to anyone particular, but admins are people and they might be also upset, sad, horny... ok we will not go in to details.... LOL )

horny?

"Oh yeah, you've been a bad thread haven't you? You want me to close you, don't you? I'm afraid you'll have to do more than that to persuade me. ... Ooooh yeah, that's it. I'm gonna come over there and close you, yes I am..."

Bumping is a separate problem, as seba said.I for one have nothing against someone bumping even a year old topic, IF he has something really worth our while.So for example if i were to say, on february 2004, that Doom 4 is coming out, and then, in march 2005 someone says yeah great news, i liked the first two, then this is obvious ground for topic closure and even warn.However if he has relevant news about the subject, i have nothing against it :ok:

That's right.

I'm not sure what you mean with pressure to post?
I don't think anyone is scared of us and you shouldn't be if you are.

All posts that have been closed in the past have been closed for a reason, there might have been cases in the past that closing the thread would've been unnecessary but overall I think the mods/admins have done a really good job of judgement.

And then, like today, one admin closes the topic, while other reply.... For that they might use admin-sub forum...

Thanks for explanation on how it works...

As for pressure to post, just wait a little bit more... I'm not saying that people will not post, but you'll lose some of regular members because of some bad judgments...



@BeefontheBone - they have their needs too. What if they aren't happy? Should we create another donation page to make sure no admin is frustrated? LOL

This is of course just a joke, just before one of those unhappy complains. :tomato: LOL LOL LOL

I've had a few of my own threads closed, and it really doesn't bother me. :)

If people would just stop spamming topics to death, I think it would be better. I'd rather have one of my topics be closed than have to read through 10 posts of spam for every informative post in the thread. :(

Anubis, you can't expect us to discuss every closure of a thread.
In general closing a thread needs quick judgement and isn't something we need to debate hours/days about.

I only see 1 closed topic today about home of the underdogs where Data closed it and the picard added some extra info to it: I can't see anything wrong with that.

We won't force anyone to stay if they don't like it here.

You're constantly talking about bad judgements but what are those? Send me or the admin/mod in question a PM (<- no talking in public about mod/admin actions, remember) what exactly those bad judgements are and I'll take care of it from there.

Why closing? The topic can't do anything against someone posting a dumb bumping post - poor topic...

We already have that, my friend... There is more to this forum then what meets the eye

hey don't forget the poor, frustrated mods :evil:

As far as discussing mod(i can't say about admin, it's not my field) decisions in public, i can't say i have something against it.Unfortunately almost ALWAYS, when discussing a mod/admin decission, the result will be flaming, followed by warns.That's the problem here.Whereas a PM is far more private, and you can talk some sense into person, without having to answer to ten guys at a time.Like now, i sense the pressure building up between Braindead and Anubis... :yawn:

No one is forced to stay, but no one should really go because of bad use of :adminpower:

So, why for example Picard has posted his answer after Data closed the topic?

And why would Data close topic about Underdogs? (Are we scared from their comments or something else?)

So, now if I like to post what I think about underdogs, I should contact Data to reopen it, or open new topic to post it, and then finally, bump some old topic to post it.

I really do not see why that topic was closed.

As for problems, I usually contact Kosta if I encounter them. Not that I don't trust you guys, but because his word is final, and there is no need to go trough 2-3 complains. Or in other case I'd just move away, as you already suggested.


Again, thanks for explanation for how playground works....


@ Titan - I know you guys have that, just suggested what to use. ;)

@ Omuletzu - it would be full time job to put sense in some people, one thing at the time...

Uhm... :blink:


I don't think we've met. I am Tom. Have you seen my pet? He is really cute. You can pet him if you like. His name is Titan, and he is a Site Gnome.

The underdogs topic was closed because the question to the answer was given (underdogs being slow because a lot of users eating the bandwidth away).
Picard just added the fact that they've had a recent update with new games (this is technical support related as you might know or not know there had not been an update since start of the year)

I see no reason why you should venture your opinion in the underdogs thread as the thread is in the technical support section.

@ Tom

LOL LOL LOL

You better stay on the topic, as Briandead seems a bit fussy and might give you a warning for off-topic. LOL LOL LOL :sniper: :Tom:


@ Braindead

I believe this is BB, and its idea is to exchange thoughts.... You as BB master should know that. And yes, even in support forum.

BTW, I don’t like your tone from the first post. It’s not friendly.

irritated I suppose? irrigated is to do with drainage of water in sandy areas... :whistle:

I'm not irritated I'm just withlaying your arguments.

I fixed it, and you got your answers too...

And yes, there is another reason underdogs are slow. Because it takes a while to browser to fight all spy and ad attacks, and million of pop-ups.

But according to you, just to many users is the problem.... (as there was not a lot of users already on that site)

it is true ads are being shown but this does not fetch the bandwidth on server side just a bit on the client side, the client side isn't the bottle neck though.
As you might notice downloading from the underdogs is very slow which should prove to you that the problem lies on server side not on client side.

Only if downloads are keept on the same server as the web site, which is not very true.

Same things is happaning with www.gamespot.com where you have to wait couple sec till all pop-ups try to open.

But this is just one of examples for closing the topics, without good reason.

downloads are on the same server.
ads are on a different server - for ads the bandwidth of the advertising party is used... (just look at the underdogs page source if you don't want to take my word for it.)

actually this turned out to be a good example of closing a topic with good reason as you're obviously trying to drag this topic for unlimited lengths without wanting to be receptive for good reason.

That would be kind of ironic, but thanks to your push with underdogs topic you might get that satisfaction...

Just let us know if you feel any better afterward... or at least some sadistically happy...

As I already said, topic had no good reason to be closed, and if we start to close every topic that has answer, you would close whole game sub-forum, actually, there is no point to post anything, as it's already described in review.

So if you don't have anything better to say and keep that unfreindly tone, try to avoid this question.

And as far as underdog download server goes, here is the address for download server which is not the same one where the web page is. ;)


http://files.the-underdogs.org:8080

Ip address for web server is 64.202.167.129, while download server has this address: 209.120.136.196. Need more info?

ironic? that the ads are on a different server? or that the downloads are on the same server. I can't quite follow you here.

I see no reason why I should feel better afterwards, I have too much free time on my hands to keep answering your queries, LO L...

You have been here long enough to know that there have been rants about the underdogs in the past, adding to the fact that the question was answered, the good reason is thus that Data prevented that from happening again... We like the mother of all abandonware.

I don't see how any of my posts in this thread have been unfriendly, in fact I think I have remained polite in all my answers. It's not because I don't make use of a smilie that it's per se unfriendly.

I don't know how you resolve webpages to an ip address but if I ping the addresses they point to the same address, namely: 209.120.136.196

just do a ping to them in dos.

Read bottom of my post again.

I've checked where downloads are, so your theory is incorrect.

Try something different. And trust me, site can become unusable just because of ads and spy (especially if used with javascripts). If you don’t trust me, try http://www.gamespot.com. Open it with and without ad blocker and you’ll see difference.

And all this underdog discussion should be done on that topic which is kind of closed.

And you don't have to smile to be friendly. You should know that already.

But just as I already said before, it takes a while to explain something, and this might be done in PM, but to what effect and how many times same things have to be explained?

And from your first post I got feelings that you took personally all comments / suggestions.

Here you go:

Still 2 different addresses.

First time I made mistake between .org and .com. Was there at the time there was no - in address of that web site and when it was .com.

My first post only indicated that we have gone through this before...

In fact I indicated together with my comment what the reasons for thread closing are.

Edit: heh you're right on the underdogs having 2 servers... still people who download from the site will also visit the site no? :angel:

And I replied that:

* I might find that post, but it might get closed if I bump it

* I might start new topic, hoping to understand why and how it works here

* I might do as you suggested in the case I don't like it


I also wonder what do you think how person/kid feel after you closed the post where he asked something? Welcomed?

Also, most likely someone will come back and say at least thank you, which is also kind of nice to see.

*coughspamfestcough*

:angry:


I don't remember seeing a thread closed without a blatant reason or without the reason explained in the closing post.

I myself welcome anyone who want to discuss about one of my thread closure via PM to contact me. It will be a pleasure to explain my action to you. :)

* you should.
* you should not.
* you should.

Nice of you EOF...

Specially that you are controlling area where the same problem might come again...

@braindead - hope you are kidding...

Anubis, please calm down. There's no reason to get quite so upset and/or worked up about this. Mods and admins usually think twice before they close a topic (I know that I do), but if they think about it any longer it might already be a hell of a mess to clean up.

And whatever you might be thinking, BD is not trying to pick a fight you, nor is he being unreasonable. Try to forget about your anger for a minute and read his posts again, but more calmly. This sort of heated argument clearly isn't leading anywhere.

bet my first post in here is looking more and more sensible and less of a joke now :D

You bet.

Well atleast you've stopped blaiming me for the thread-closure last time, Anubis. I appreciate that!

So closing treads will be closed... LOL

AJ,
I'm calm, and I don't have a problem with replaying to every smallest thing question...

What better to do on a nice day like this.... :)

As I said before, I noticed that, and I did not see a reason why not to ask.

I don't remember that we have met?!

Stroggy,
This has nothing to do with you and that post. I understand that you will never replay on some of the questions, and we all know and why. Dream your dreams and lets not talk about politics, as you already know, for that you should face facts, not fictions from some books suggesting something very irrational.

Yes,
Your insisting that you already replayed to questions (even those questions not being asked before) got that topic closed, but as I already said, that was not surprising.

Reason I posted this is that couple of times already I was about to post something, but treads were closed. One time I asked Omuletzu to open it, so that I can post, and he was kind to do it. (Thanks buddy)

You could have just left it at the first sentance, there wasn't any need to ridicule me, you know.

I don't think we have. Sorry, did you feel I was being overfamiliar?

Anyway: I understand that you found it annoying to find topics were locked right as you were about to post in them. I'd be annoyed as well. Nevertheless, they weren't locked without a reason, and that reason was not abuse of admin power, as you seem to be suggesting. It's a myth that admins are power-hungry megalomaniacs who like to exercise power over others by arbitrarily locking threads and deleting posts; more often than not they're people who do a difficult (and very often thankless) job and do it well, but nobody ever notices.

a 4 page spamfest, which admins/mods have replied to, is still open, and its meant to be about open/closed threads? ouchies.

Yes.



And here are my reasons.

1. It went off-topic by a couple of million miles... HOTU IP's?!!! :blink:
2. It created a bad atmosphere.
3. The question has been answered.
4. People have used the topic to post simple spam posts, not helping the topic at all
5. I see no reason why this topic should've been started in the first place. We close topics when nothing more can be contributed to the discussion, or when people are walking around in circles, or when people flame, or when it is just spam, or when a topic is going off track and no-one is intent on bringing it back on track