What happened with FF's account? Is he deleted? Is this done on purpose or it was simple DB accident?

Thanks!

It was entirely intentional, the official reason is that he made multiple accounts to get round bans, there are others, but I'm not allowed to say them or the admins will be after me next.

I was unaware that he was banned. :blink:

Sorry, my bad.

Thanks for quick reply RH!

It's actually quite sad.After Tom, he was the most important member, IMO...

What did he do that made him deserve that sort of punishment?

Whatewer he did, I believe that it was hard for admins to do it.

It is sad, indeed. :(

Yes, it is sad, Anubis. He was a lovely guy and very talented. Let's use this thread to show him our affection as he would appreciate it right now. I think he's still able to visit, but he can't post.

We wish you happiness, Freddy. :cheers:

As a moderator, i demand to know what happened to him, i think it's my right, as part of the abandonia staff.Pm me if you don't want all the members to know

Yeah, a while back he was disappearing for most time "because he did not care anymore", then he returned... and all of the sudden he is banned?!

Another thing is that none of his accounts were banned, so getting banned (and deleted to top that) for getting around a ban's nonsense. Tiki no likey. :Titan:

*loud calls for a mutiny* :Titan:

*load calls for you all to shut up and pm tom henrik about it if you have a problem with it* :max: I do miss the guy, but toms reasoning is sound(I think??), and its gonna stay that way whether we like it or not, so either pm tom like he asked you to do or deal with it. :whistle:

Exactly which part of Tom's reasoning is sound? Him banning and deleting Freddy for supposedly getting around a ban, or his lie 'bout Freddy getting around a ban?

right... it was a joke...
anyway i also trust tom's thinking, as i said in the shoutbox.

I'm not going any farther into this discussion. If you have a problem, pm tom. after all, he is a doctor. ;)

Where did Tom discuss this?

The shoutbox.

Shoutbox, his exact explanation being:
"Tom: You've all read the shoutbox, since you are reating this way. Then you also know WHY they were banned." It's on page 10 (for now)

I've checked 23 pages, and did not find anything about ban, except FF's posts made after the fact. I found Tom's post to PM him about it, so I guess it is secret what it happened.

I always wanted to know more, and I found FF kind and nice person, so I'll PM Tom too.

After reading some more, i found that, besides ff, dreadlord was also banned :blink: .... sad all too sad

Was he banned or also deleted?

Banned, not deleted

Thanks Kon-Tiki.

I tried to figure it out with shout-box, but could not. I PM'd Tom, and no answer yet.

Freddy created multiple profiles. He called Puffin a wh ore. He banned people without reason when he was an admin. He got romatically involved with himself (Black Angel). He was his own best friend (Predator). He lied. He talked openly about secrets on the forum. He played with people's feelings and emotions. He always flamed someone when he was drunk.

And so on... and so on... and so on...

That was why he was banned a loooooooooooooooooooooong time ago, but he bypassed the banning and was active again recently. Thus we deleted his account for good. And his aliases have also been banned.

I was the one who did the physical deleting of the account..

FreeFreddy is NOT wanted in any way on this forum, and will be actively monitored for his presence, and hunted down like the slime he is.

He's a grown man, who surronds himself with children to back him up?

come on, that's a bit uncalled for.

And on top of all that, he manipulates people that think well of him so that they turn to the admins and ask for his unbanning. After all, if he's so eager to come back, he should try and make amends with me and the other admins directly, and not so cowardly. He's also the most hypocritical person I even encountered as he presents himself in a divine light in front of everyone, but says unspeakable things behind their backs. The reason why he likes to communicate with children so much is because he can manipulate them easily, and from his actions, he obviously likes playing god and having little minions to back him up. Lastly, he worked against the interests of this site on several occasions, and played his little twisted mind games on this forum one time too many.

so he's deleted because he has a lot of charisma and knows how to get people to like him? Banning someone, and then DELETING their accounts because of past instances (flaming being one of the lamest reasons ever) seems like a sad ATTEMPT to justify your actions. Titan talks of not obeying forum rules and flaming, yet he just insulted FF incredibly (and since when is it ok to have naked women in tags if this is a "family site" you damn hypocrite?) For banning people when he was an admin, ok, he was punished by being stripped of his administration title. Banning because of flaming? So why isn't Titan banned at all, because it seems like that's all he does when he comes in and chastises people for off topic-ness or what ever (As opposed to say, Data, who is stern but almost apologetic?)

FreeFreddy is not wanted on the forum? By who? You Titan, because you have personal issues with him? You know he can easily come back w/ another alias and you have no way of know it, and I'm suprised if he already hasn't just to piss you off.

Banning someone for multiple accounts, lame-@$$. Personally, I found that amusing that he was his own best friend, and his lover. Sure, he's probably been a jerk, but then again, everyone has at times, even multiple times. I do not recall it stating ANYWHERE, that multiple accounts will get you permenantly banned.

Now because I have spoken against the tyrants, I will probably be banned as well, and this message deleted because as FF said, it's easier to hide the mess than address it and clean it up. This is a great site, and I love the forum, but there are some serious issues here, and deleting those who recognize them will just make the forum an unpleasant place.

Having the title don't make it right

My two cents

Peace Freefreddy, keep writing music

What Freddy did was Bad.

Some people defended FreakyFreddy saying there werent any warnings or rules and so on....

I suggest that forum rules should be more noticeable like pinned in every topic....Specially the no duplicate accounts. People should know that this is illegal and thus justifying FF's ban to those who aren't convinced.

You have a point there - I notice someone's edited Titan's post since it was put up, without an "Edit by" line.

EDIT: Come to think of it, Titan's signature technically breaches the signature rules (as in fact does mine, but not so much).

You have a point there - I notice someone's edited Titan's post since it was put up, without an "Edit by" line. [/b][/quote]
oh yes, the M.J comment? Titan, would it be ok if I called you a child molesting transexual freak? If not, then why are you allowed to address board members that way?

Everyone is bound to his oppinion Reamus and yours is as good as another. What is not good is the way you turned that oppinion into a flame post.

I myself pointed FreeFreddy at least 2 times in the past month and I was beginning to get seriously annoyed by his lyrics. If you need someone who won't be unhappy to see him go then you can add me to the list.

I agree that he was very active in the forum but hey... If you count up all his account posts, he probably have at least about the same amount of post alone than all the other regular members together. If you don't see this as spam then I don't know what it is.

I also think that if it is true (and I have no reason to take Tom, Titan and Kosta word for lies) then I seriously think that he needs professional mental support. And fast.

Well, I tend to take the same view as eagle. But personally, this may seen a bit heartless, but I really don't care whether freefreddy is gone or not or what the heck does happen to him. I didn't hate the guy, but it just doesn't really matter to me about it one way or the other. If he fell off a bus, it wouldn't really slam me in the face. But other than that, I take the same view as eagle.

You have a point there - I notice someone's edited Titan's post since it was put up, without an "Edit by" line. [/b][/quote]
That would be my handywork.

Titan wrote actrivly which I then converted to actively


Anyways...

I thought of Freddy as one of my best friends, yet I was the one who banned him. Something I would not do if I didn't think it nessecary.

Both Kosta and Titan was close friends with Freddy in the past. Don't you think it is a bit weird that all of us would go from being close friends to banning and deleting his account? I mean... if we didn't have a very good reason?

I have told you guys some of the reasons, those that are the most protruding.


Basically, Freddy was a bitch and he only made life worse for people that trusted him.

I think Reamus is making a perfectly valid point there, though perhaps not in the subtlest of ways , and has a good one about Titan's avatar also. Not that I'm disputing Freddy's ban - it seems he has offended several people on various occasions and broken the rules despite repeated warnings, although I've not witnessed any of this myself.

EDIT: I think that it's a bit dodgy that it's possible for posts to be edited by anyone other than their author without the "Edit by" line being added. In fact I'm surprised that it's not added automatically in that situation, which is very different to editing one's own post to correct spelling errors and so on. (such as Titan's edit there below this to make it clear that both Kosta and Tom edited his earlier post, for different reasons).

1, my post was edited by Kosta AND Tom.
2, We haven't removed any of FF's posts
3, The dessition wasn't taken by me, nor any ONE individuals, but several.

Is it a coincidence that only members who were here for a long time are 'happy' with the ban?

And last time I checked Abandonia was Home Of Abandonware Dos Games and not Schizophrenia Support Group.

Not really.

Freddy starts out easy, showing you his good side, building up your trust. Then at some point he rapes you mentally and verbally. That has happened to a lot of the old members, and it happened to me, Titan and Kosta one time too many.

It wasn't a real question it was just making a point that people who really know him know what he is capable of.

Just making sure i was undestood.

is my avey ok now? I kind of like it, you know, being such a family forum and all I can't even ask people's views on premarital sex

Again, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with the language being used in here - "rapes you mentally and physically"? To be honest, I'd expect better from admins and moderators, particularly in a thread discussing the banning of a member.

especially when one of the claims is flaming and being a jerk

Argue all you want, but we won't change our actions.

And reamus, your topic was moved into the dustbin because it talked about sexual preferences in a place where 6 year olds could read it. And it was NOT removed by me nor Titan.

We are through with this debate. You guys may keep it going if you wish. Enjoy your day.

Can't we all just get along? :(

Really, what's the point? This is just turning into a pointless argument, and on its way to a flame-fest. The admins have agreed to ban Freddy, regardless of how much some people may dislike it.

Obviously, they have their reasons, if they're willing to put up with this. What's the point in causing a big debacle? What good does it do anyone?

It doesn't.

It doesn't do Freddy any good, because his account is deleted, and he's not getting it back.

It doesn't do the admins any good, because it's just stress and a headache.

It doesn't do the members any good, because nothing's going to change.

Tokidoki ni, shikata ga arimasen deshita ne.

Sometimes, there's just nothing that can be done.

Please stop fighting, it's tiresome, and pointless. Personally, It just makes me want to go find something better to do with my time than be a part of a community that over-dramatizes everything. :cry:

As clearly stated above, I wasn't arguing with your actions in banning FreeFreddy, I was just agreeing with Reamus in trying to point out that there is a certain amount of hypocrisy present, and that there've been comments made in here that I found inflamatory and offensive, in several cases (in fact in the majority of cases as far as this thread is concerned) by admins and mods who ought to know better IMO.

Edit: I think I personally have been careful to avoid a "flame fest" and am having a serious discussion, which admittedly has moved beyond the thread's original topic. The only flaming (if defined as a baseless and/or unjustified insulting comment without value), as far as I'm concerned, has been against Freddy (not that I'm defending him) - a simple, clear explanation of why he was banned was all that was needed.

#1. Everybody should stop talking about this whole darn subject.
#2. Someone should close this dang topic.
#3. Someone should give the flamers each a warn or two.
#4. Someone should force reamus to change that disgusting avatar. Titan too.
#5. Thats the last I'll post in this topic, and I hope the rest of you will do the same. Good day to you all. :not_ok:

I'm not trying to have your actions reversed, I want to know how you justify your actions, when the Titan is guilty of it as well. I looked up titans posts for the last fifty days, and almost every one was him being a total prick to those he was warning, or even if he wasn't warning and just contributing, he had a general bad attitude. If my topic was deleted because it was in a place where six year olds could read it, is that not the same then for Titan's avatar? Or what about the constant swearing we always have? Is that ok for six yearolds? If this is such a family oriented site, then why are such games hosted as Leisure Suit Larry? Can't some six year old download those or Lost in LA? You preach one thing, but this sit is definately not family oriented. Like a six year old would know what premarital sex is. If he wanted to know, he could just google it and get lots of interesting things.

I'm going to look at a 1.5 mil. SEK house tomorrow (in 11 hours) and decide if i want to buy it or now.. it's in 10 hours, so i have no time to sit here any more.

Regarding Freddy; I'm not changing my view on this "guy", not my oppinion.

Regarding my signature: take a look at the source @ The Black Lotus and you will see some of the more beutiful pictures and best Demos you've ever seen.

Rasmus, Didn't quite figure out what you where aiming for, but you have the right to say as you want. About your topic; personaly i didn't see anything wrong with it, besides it was in part of the "open" forum where no registration is needed. It's other the replies that causes a topic to be removed.

I'm getting the *meep* out of here now...

I hope FF crawls back to the pit where he came from, and stop bothering ppl, and aleast stay away from young ppl who are easily affected by his ways.

I always wondered why Admins and Kosta needs to justify their actions when it is clear that they are doing a wonderfull job. All what it seems to do is to stirr things up and bring a bad mood over the forum.

FreeFreedy was banned because he went over the rules too often. I don't think anybody need a better explanation.

End of story. :(

Oh yes, flaming and barking on me is easy, when I can't reply, you surely thought. Wrong thought. As you may see, I had this account made when I started to post here again. Kind of bothers you, hm? Not all aliases of me were banned. I still will have my chance to take my point on the matter, and I will use my only possiblity. I don't want to go being blackened by the comments of the admins who I earlier thought were people I could trust.

1. I created multiple profiles. This is right
2. I called Puffin a wh ore. This is also right, and I'm deeply sorry for that, but this excuse is meant for her, not for the admins.
3. He banned people when he was admin. Somehow I can't remember where I did that except of the fun war with Fawfulhasfury, but even there I didn't ban him.
4. He got romatically involved with himself (Black Angel). Now did I hurt you with that, as strange as it may seem to you? And you call that now a crime against the forum, hm?
5. He was his own best friend (Predator). I called him as that, yes. Imaginary he was a friend from England. Once again, did I somehow hurt someone with that that you see it as a crime?
6. He lied. Yes, and? You don't lie in your entire lives? Are you holy? Everybody lies sometimes.
7. He talked openly about secrets on the forum. Actually, I didn't tell anything yet that was admin-critical info. Now I regret it, I should have done it when I had the possibility instead to trust you and keep your secrets...
8. He played with people's feelings and emotions. This is just an empty baseless statement. I played with nobody's feelings, but others may have anoother opinion there...
9. He always flamed someone when he was drunk. I was once drunk. I told women aren't worth it to trust them. Who did I flame directly? Can you point at that certain quote in the forum and show it here? Why not doing it then?
10. That was why he was banned a loooooooooooooooooooooong time ago, but he bypassed the banning and was active again recently. And when exactly I was banned, if I may ask? If you mean that temporare ban because of that flash video, it wasn't permanent but only for 1 week and then lifted, so why shouldn't I return back then? Really, I didn't bypass any ban, not that there were really more than one of them.

Do you know what I think? I think that you picked all that statements to somehow barely tie up your deleting to the means of justice and right. All the reason for deleting me seems to be much simpler - it's done either out of misunderstanding, or out of hate.
I manipulate people to make me unban? Kosta, Kosta... Now what do you think why should do that? Do you really think your forum is still as charming and comfy as it was once? That was once, and after your secretly did and bad argumented this deleting out of the corner, without telling me of it, I don't intend to return here again at all. Wendymaree is such a kind soul, she along with some others, like Taikara, understood why I did what I did. She volunteered to defend me freely, though I told her it's ok and there won't be any success. You, you even didn't bother to clear anything out. Instead you just move on and delete me out of 2 correct and 7.5 false reasons. And you call this justice?

I should be eager to come back and make amends with you admins instead of so cowardly? What so cowardly? Weren't that you who striked cowardly instead of notifying me before doing that? Why should I make amends with you when you even didn't ask me why I did what I did? And you think I can simply come back and talk to you finely about all? You don't seem to want to know me at all, anymore, not to talk about speaking... You can't be serious, now could you.

Not that you all think I don't agree that I was behaving strangely and eventually did some harm to someone. But things happen sometimes, everyone has his own bad times. Why shouldn't I have my bad time? Did I do soo much harm that I should be condemned? And most of all, isn't it anymore allowed on this form to explain himself before being judged? Instead you quietly delete me and then try to justify yourself. How corageous.

I'm sorry, Tai, but I simply felt the deleting wasn't done out of justice. I prefer peace myself, but when there's injustice done, I can't stand back and try to establish peace. Not when the ones who deleted me make false arguments about me to try to blacken me to justify their own deeds. I should stop now, it isn't worth it to try, they are deaf to my words. Still, I want to thank all who didn't that simply condemned me before trying to understand the situation. I did not manipulate anyone. I never felt the need in my life for that. All I can do is explain myself as best as I can. Which I'm ready to do, should anyone ask.
And please don't abandon this forum too easily. Right now it may seem here're strange things going on, but there's hope it will be better. After all, this one is better than some others outside there.

Oh, yes, btw. You may delete my account now, to feel yourself more satisfied. I don't intend to return here again, anyway. Perhaps you will be at least so kind and read this post before delete it...
Any finally - don't touch any other accounts. I have no more accounts here except this one. No need to hunt somebody else because of me.

I thought long and hard about even replying to this...
When I first joined the forum I met Alfred (he had :adminpower: back then). He semed nice but troubled. I started talking to him and I never felt he misused my confidence.
Thanks to him I also got some great Russian songs (and I weren't the only one).
Now as a teacher I have to be able to judge people's characters (I'm not an expert, but I do have some experiance), so here's what I think:

Something happened. FreeFreddy was very interested in the ocult (many posts showed that). He was probably also quite lonely (many posts under different names kindda prove that), but that was still harmless... I never realised (until now) just how many aliases he had. So he was trying to get some attention. Still no problem - it's a freindly comunity here and I guess there's quite a lot of us coming here to chat or exchange opinions (but not with ourselves...).
That might not harm anyone true, but it does show people how desperate somebody is. To present himself/herself as more popular you create an alter ego that becomes a fan of yours... That's just sad.
And now a problem apeares - this person is basically just trying to boost the selfimage - but is actually turning the forum into a private playground. And that's not what this forum is ment for (and I'm not talking just about Freddy now, but in general).
The admins decided to :banned: Freddy and the reasons they gave are valid (despite what some say). Off course the person getting banned will not agree to that. Rarelly people agree to accept punishment. If there is anything further on to be discused let them handle it on their own - they have each other's e-mails and msn accounts...
And Alfred if you want to talk about anything to me - just let me know. I guess you still have my e-mail or you can look it up any time. I have nothing against you, but I stand behind the admins on this one. You might have done it all just in good clean fun, but it's gotten out of hands.

I do have a word of advice to the newer members (like ReamusLQ and some others). You guys created you accounts (might be paranioa, but right now anybody could be FF) at the time Freddy wasn't that active any more and you didn't really get to know him. Just what gives you the right to question the decisions of administrators about a person they got to know really well and you only heard a few things about? Do you have such mistrust for the admis - or are you just rebels without a clue? I questioned many of their decisions in the past, but only once about a member they gave a slap on the wrist to - it was Yamcha. Everything got settled in a more or less civilized tone and the matter was resolved. Otherwise I never had a real complaint about the decisions of the admins (at least until they explained their decisions - you don't have to blindly follow them).

I would like to give my opinion about this one...

Well, I agree with Eagle and Fawful, and especially Seb, who has the same opinion as I do... I don't know FF really good, he never did me any harm, nor something nice for me. But I have read archives and many forum topics and I didn't like some of his statements, but who was I to judge him, I might have been wrong...

But now, hearing and reading all this stuff, I CAN'T say that I back him up... Multiple accounts, emotional involving with himself, insulting and pretending to be someone else - well, those may not be strictly breaking forum rules, but that shows that he has certain problems and gives me very good reason to believe admins' decision and their statements about FF... He is using this forum to treat his problem, as it was his playground... Large part of this forum are kind-hearted people and they would surely help him any way they could if he had a problem and admitted it... But he seems to have tricked too many people, so it's very hard for me to feel sorry for him, and probably the same goes for all the people that don't back him up...

FF mentioned Wendy and Tai as his support... Well, they are certainly very kind persons, as all of us know it, and I won't question their reasons for supporting FF... But it seems that he is just misusing their trust, and that's just wrong!

Well Freddy, as all of us know, you'll be back again, no matter what you say now... I've never had a chance to meet you, so all statements above are just my personal view based on all that has been said... I can only say I'm sorry that you didn't do some things differently, because all of this could be avoided only if you had DIFFERENT APPROACH to the problem...And I hope you won't miss this forum since it irritates and annoys you so much... Nevertheless, I wish all best to you.

Why is there always someone doubting what the admins do?
(No need to answer this. It's not a real question.)

How about showing a tiny bit of trust towards them? They really know what they're doing. And that people that I dare call new, like Reamus, are doubting this, that's ridiculus. You weren't here earlier. And I don't think you really knew / know him. Did he ever call you a wh ore? And an indecisive kid? Nope, don't think so.

Now I'm a relatively new member myself, so my opinion probably doesn't have much merit anyway. I don't really know FreeFreddy, nor do I care much about him on a personal level. I do believe, however, that in the best interest of this forum, such decisions as banning an user should not be taken based on personal differences or private wars someone might have had with that user. If someone is way out of line, disrupts the forum, or is a public annoyance, then actions against hat person must be taken to ensure a civil atmosphere in the forum. BUT what people do in private, their relationships and petty quarrels, is theirs alone to settle in private, and should not effect a member's standing on the forum as a whole.

My opinion. Take it for what it is.

Freddy never harmed me. I never had a problem with him. I can definitely understand why he did it, even if I personally don't think it was the best way to go about things... :(

But the truth is, there's no reason to start rising up against the admins for this, especially not publically. What's done has been done, and there was a reason they did it. The admins would have been more than happy to answer questions privately. I talked to them about it, myself.

There's just no need to make this into such an issue. There are better ways to handle the situation. :(

And the thing is, the admins are here for the site, first and foremost. They put so much effort into this place, and without them, there wouldn't even be a forum community in which we could be having this discussion.

It just doesn't make sense to me that after they have done so much for us, worked so hard, people would think they don't care about the community. They've built it, and watched it grow and mature... how could they not care?

I trust their decision. They've been here longer than I have, and know more about the community, the people in it, and the situation. And without them, I wouldn't even be here in the first place.

Let me tell you a thing about believing who your friends are. You were admin here for a while. You always talked nicely with me and never said you had an issue with me. I did see through your phony act though, but tried to convince myself that I was just being paranoid. Well, at least up until the point that one of the kids you surround yourself with probably broke one of your sacred vows and told me the various things you called me. That much about creating genuine and sincere friendships.

Secondly, if you really cared for this site, instead of your shameless selfless promotion playground you created here, you would have protected its interests on several occasions that people worked against it.

Believe it or not, yes, this forum is still as charming and comfy without your divine presence Freddy. I know this might feel hard to grasp, but although you tried to make yourself the centre spot of this forum, it doesn't mean it can't function nicely without you. There are still active members here that registered before you, that's all the proof I need.

I've already addressed "secret actions" in the first argument of this post. You shouldn't talk about secret actions because your whole persona on this forum is based on secrets and lies. So please, no more hypocrisy. If, at any point, you told me over MSN what you're about to do, then it wouldn't have come to this.

And just another proof of the fantasy world you live it. Sure, they understand, I understand that you probably need help, but I really doubt that they also approve of it.

I didn't delete your account because I feel pitty, not anger. But obviously you managed to piss off someone else.

When you are banned, Freddy, there is no need to NOTIFY you that your account will be deleted. Your account was deleted because you decided to ignore your ban.

Again, Freddy, try to understand that if you are banned and wish to, perhaps, return, then you should talk to me about it. Directly. I have no obligation to ask YOU why you are doing whatever it is you are doing. Remember, you are the one that is supposed to explain your actions to admins.

Sure you can. You can have a bad time PRIVATELY. You can have a bad time in your appartment. You can have a bad time with your psychiatrist, he's paid for it after all. But a forum that is full of kids that can't understand your obsessive compulsive disorder is NOT the place to have your bad time. I am sorry, deal with it privately. When you get better, feel free to let us know.

Did you really try to explain yourself to me? Remember, like it or not, but I am in charge of this forum. Explaining yourself to Kiddiarni or Puffin couldn't really be helpful. And I'm talking about times BEFORE this incident.

I'm affraid you are deaf to other people's words. You don't even realise that you've been given many more chances than any regular member would because of all the things you stood for on this forum. However, you can't expect to continue playing your little game forever, regardless of the countless warnings, and go unpunished.

I feel like I'm repeating myself here, but your account was not deleted because of satisfaction. You manipulated too many people's emotions, and we've had just too many complaints against you. It came to the point that it became sickening. When 2 of your true friends turn against you, you should really take some time off and think about your actions.

I didn't have any issues with ff.Nor was i close to him or anything like that.He was just a normal member to me, altough i respected(and i still do) for what he has done for this site.In my eyes he will still be one of the most important people of this site.Two bad he had to go down like this... it's a real shame...
We should hold a day of silence for him(ie no posts during one day to remember all that he has done for us, and cherish his (good) actions).

You gave me much to think on here. Obviosly I didn't see the things like you do. Maybe you are right, maybe I just was here to "play" without even noticing that. I'll have to rethink anything I did again. See? I used this account again to answer here, though I stated I will not do it again...
Well, have a good day yet, all. And please, delete this account.

I think all this is upsetting for everyone. Could we please close the thread and move on.

Nah, i think the masses should speak freely(there are still important members that haven't said a word)

But if it's going to be a continuation of 'I think he's a jerk'...or... 'I think they shouldn't have done that...'

What's the point of this?

I whole heartedly agree with Wendy. Close this thread down, beacuse it's humiliating for everyone involved. FF is gone. The deed is done. The reasons are clear. Everyone's got a different opinion about it but really should keep it to him/herself or use PM to express it.

people, please! this is not leading anywhere!

everyone who has made a statement here has a particular opinion about this issue,
and since we are free to express our thoughts, it is ok that we share them, even if
this topic is quite delicate to handle.

but apparently a point has been reached from which no useful development can be
achieved.

this verbal struggle could go on and on and still we would not manage to do any good
through it. what has happened is really sad, yet it can't be made undone. we should
actually accept what the admins have decided upon, although it might be easy to
criticise them for that, but they are aware of their responsibility and they do their best
to justify it, imo!

on the one hand, i hope freddy will find peace, but on the other i don't think this whole
thing is worth to endanger the peace of our community. let's settle this, and let's trust
the ones who are leading this site, for they do an amazing job - there's no doubt
about it.

(and yes, this thread should be closed down, because all that needs to be said has
already been said!)

Okay, i'll close it, but i have my doubts it will stay closed...

I first like to thank to Omuletzu for reopening this topic, so that I can reply and give my opinion about this. Thanks m8!

As for closing the treads, I never understood why people are insisting in that, as that surely never solved anything, just postponed all reactions. That might be good in some cases, as it give us time to rethink our actions, but in many cases delay makes things worst. Also lately I've notice many treads being closed, and not rarely with some really unfriendly comments.

As for FF deletion, I don't understand how is possible for someone to bypass the ban. If FF is capable of that, then we should look for better BB/Forum, as this one has major security holes in it.

One of the reason FF was deleted was that he called puffin a *bad word comes here*. Was that on the forum? If not, then bringing personal life here (using of IM is part of that) seems strange to me. If I communicate with some forum members with IM, I make sure that I don't bring discussion/problems here.

Another thing that bugs me is that admins have noticed that FF has problems, and what have they done to help him. (This goes with part that I like to help to people) Instead of trying to help him, or at least help him realize his problems and advise him to seek professional help; we are trying to delete him from forum existence, same forum where he was most active member. I wonder would rest of us receive same treatment if we have some problems?!

I'm telling this as person who knows how screw up mind can get, especially after bad things that some of us encountered.

I will also add that FF never did any harm to me, and actually made me laugh with playing with faw’s profile. (Sorry faw, it was funny :)) I was not aware of any problems with FF, and this was a reason for me to start this topic in the first place. Why some stuff, like this, if in interest of all posters is not public, same as deletion of account?

And now my couple words to FF. I now that you are angry with their decision, but there is not much you can do, except talk to Kosta and admins. I whish you luck. Now that you realized that these things that you did are not common, I hope you will seek professional help, as I don't believe that anyone of us would be able to help you. As for multiple accounts, I am against them, but I can see reason to have them and to communicate with your self in that matter. But again, please seek professional help.

And for innocence of Titan's avatar, and can't remember who had 'Anal sex hurts' avatar: Thanks to FireFox's image blocker, I was able to block those, and believe me, nothing innocent in those avatars, and worst, they are not work safe, and I use to browse abandonia while I work. But we already discussed this, and I'm aware of how important to you is to make this place nice for those 6 years old kids that you guys mentioned earlier. Now it seems strange that I started that topic to.

Although I've not much time lately I've read every post in this thread and all I wanted to say has already been said by other members/admins.
I'm sorry to see his account removed but the account was removed for a reason so we won't undo the decision of removing the account. However I still wanted to wish Freddy the best. Good luck to you man!

all of you wanting freefreddy to come back are just proving the admins points.

he was a liar he made accounts and pretended that they were other people

he had a afair with himself (aka, black angel)

he gave his pc to himself (aka predator ) so he could go off and spend all his time with his gf(which doesnt even exist)

and well dreadlord......

oh anubis mad e fact has the anal sex hurts avvy

What happened, tell me just that I don't have to find the answer in this extended posts.
Thanks :ok:

i just had nothing to say about dreadlord

Wait, Dreadlord was that girl??

... was he dreadlord??? :eeeeeh:

Myself I had no problems with FF or some of his alter-egos, and actually some of them were funny(Dreadlord :whistle: ) but I can imagine not everybody thinks this way.
And I am not THAT long on this forum to know all background of FF and if FF did all this things I must say I agree with admin decision.
And I trust abadonia admins (Really!!! :sneaky: )
I just wonder how many accounts FF actually have :blink:

He was that girl... :eeeeeh: ...really!
She looked cool... kind of!



:sick:

And people were asking why some called Freddy a girl :whistle:

You mean that girl on Dreadlord personal photo? Well I doubt that....

Ahm....

ok I opened the thread back first, but I'll close it as all you seem to be able doing is calling people names and spam.

locked.

Just to show you what we'r talking about:

http://www.abandonia.com/forum/index.php?s...indpost&p=89832

Him "introducing" himself..

http://www.abandonia.com/forum/index.php?s...indpost&p=89921

snaring the first few members, and establishing a rellation..

Leaving it here, and you are free to make your own oppinions, but i know what i know, and act accordingly.