Save XP
 

I know it, you know it... Win XP is better than Vista!
However in a near (sad) future, Microsoft will stop to support it beacouse of its greedy marketing reason.

But someone is trying to save XP with a petition and you can help too, at this link:

http://reg.itworld.com/servlet/Frs.f.../80276783/reg&

oh they are so gonna listen to them

And what's your problem? Simply don't buy MS products then.
If I don't like a coffee brand, I don't buy it.
Choices enough on the market, and even a lot of opensource software.
Or go http://www.apple.com/

Yay, another one solved by moi. ( :wondering: )

From what I understand and have heard up to this point, all that will happen in 2008 is that Microsoft will stop selling Windows XP itself and selling it to retailors, XP support will still last April 8, 2014.

Especially since Service Pack 3 for XP, is almost nearing readiness.

Deathdude is correct.

Taken from Wikipedia ...

Support for Windows XP without a service pack (RTM) ended on September 30, 2004 and support for Windows XP Service Pack 1 and 1a ended on October 10, 2006.

Mainstream support for Windows XP Service Pack 2 will end on April 14, 2009, four years after its general availability. As per Microsoft's posted timetable, the company will stop licensing Windows XP to OEMs and terminate retail sales of the operating system June 30, 2008, 17 months after the release of Windows Vista.

On April 14, 2009, Windows XP will begin its "Extended Support" period that will last for 5 years until April 8, 2014.

I'm getting a 'déja vue' feeling here.
We've been through this when MSDos -> W95
Again when W95 -> W98
Then once again when W98 -> early NT ones ( STILL have nightmares about those early NT ones !)
Then we saw all this over and over when W98 -> XP (Remember the XP is shit posts?)
Now it's about XP -> Vista
And soon in the same nuthouse Vista -> whatever follows.

Booooooooooooooring.

well the oldervesions at least didn't make a homecall each 15 minutes and you didn't need to click yes on 40 "are you sure" messageboxes on everything

When XP came out I would've laughed out loud at anyone suggesting one day there would be a forum thread called 'save XP' :cheesy:

Vista is just another step in the ongoing process of making Windows more friendly to global business interests while re-affirming the MS 'monopoly', at the expense of the user. Although you can't really say it's 'worse' per sé. It adds new things, it's just arguable that it offsets the price and how the users are further limited. The same with most of it's predecessors.

That's not saying it's right in any way, and that I don't applaud anyone trying to stop this trend.

I think that's more like the step between windows 3.11 and win95... give me back win 3.11!!!! Or better, give me back the DOS!!!

Many ones said "there is a plenty of time before DOS will be not supported..." or something like that. But now I'm here crying for that software milestone... and you all are in an abandonware site downloading DOS emulator and games, think about it!

Ok, you all said very right things and probably a better petition should be "Dear software house, develope software for win XP and NOT for Vista!"

However, take this topic with a bit more spirit! Come on!

i think Vista will be OK once the iron out the bugs and remove the unnecessary protections....

it's same with all new products. remember the Mercedes A recalls cause they fell over if you made a turn too fast??!

haha, an optimist

Those protections won't be removed any time soon, check around google and you will find a few more policies and ideas Microsoft is apparently toying around with, to monitor Vista and whatnot.

Can't be a problem, you don't like it? Don't buy Vista.
Do as my mother (78 now) , stay on W98SE behind a hardware router with firewall.

And about MS stopping sooner (or later in fact) XP support, that doesn't mean XP will be obsolete, does it?
You can stay on your beloved XP as long as you want.
Now yeah, if you wanna play the newest games and stuff ....... you will have to pay for the appropiate hardware and OS.

Or buy a Mac, euuurh, wait .... that's even worst than MS all things considered.

Linux then. Oh wait euuuuu, you will have to learn things to use that, darned.

Buy a PS3. Solved. :laugh:

Buy a PS3 and instead of just sacrificing most consumer freedom, sacrifice it all? Instead of supporting a bad company, support a worse one? Instead of not being able to use the alternatives without significant effort, have no alternatives at all? Instead of having to put some effort in to play 20-year old games, not at all being able to play anything older then 5? Instead of struggling to retain some power over the corporations (and your own computer, for that matter), hand all power over to them? Instead of suffering corporatism, actively encourage it?
Yeah, consoles are a good choice :p

You're seriously saying that Sony are worse than Microsoft?

Yeah, good choice :cheesy:

Whoever says "Bring back DOS" doesn't know what they're talking about, everyone hated DOS, even the people who developed for it (maybe especially) the OS may have had some good games, but damn, did it suck.

To reaffirm this, YOU WANT DOS BACK? YOU WANT ME TO WRITE MY OWN CONFIG FILES AGAIN? SCREW YOU.

Ahh... Talking about Windows 7?

Apparently Microsoft Moved UP the release to the Second Half of 2009... !!!..
See Article (In Dutch)

But Judging Microsoft (& the responses to the article),
We can "safely" assume This new MS OS will arrive around End 2010 / Early 2011.
(Start calling your bookmaker ;) )

Just Warning you guy's.
It's not so That I'm interested in Vista. (or W7 for the same matter)
I'm Literally running a good 5 years behind when looking at the WinOS I'm using.
So Vista Interest for me Will ONLY come After 2011. (when W7 probably arrives :amused: )

That's not bad at all, in fact.
Means you're on a windows that had its bugrace and all the necesary sp packs, with the drivers you need.
Remember W2K? Once it had SP4 on it it was really good.
Same with XP, sp2 is a lot better than the original, and the sp3 pack will improve it even more.

So by the time you get on vista it will be at last developed enough, the sp packs ready, and finally the drivers will be adapted to it. And last but not least the appropiate hardware to run vista comfortly will be cheap.

And of course you will be able to get it for free. :amused:

Not bad at all, running five years behind, not bad at all, really.
And as for HALO756, who cares about that when you can run Blood or X-Com.
I certainly don't care much about the newer games, sure thing.

There are Just a Few things You Might need to Considder

I Actually skipped this OS when I went from 98SE to XP.
Considering to do the same between XP, Vista & W7.
So That might mean I will wear out XP till the Last use full day.
(For my usefulness that is)

Well... Ehhhmm.. Actually...

I'm Already able to Get Vista "For Free". (any version, any language ;) )
(only Win XP Home on my Laptop has been bought, WITH the Laptop)
Hé, I'm calling myself a (Web)Space Pirate for a Good reason. :p
But I'm just not interested in something that's as much as a bug ridden bloat as Vista Is For Me.

I mostly agree with the "Save XP" sentiment, but only because I will not buy Vista.

I used to work with Win2K and Win2003 Server in the office, but for the last 6 months or so my company decided to switch to Linux. I can't say I regret it, smart choice in my humble opinion. At work I nowadays use Ubuntu and PCLinuxOS on workstations, Red Hat and CentOS on servers. True, it takes some time to get used to, but once I got the hang of it I never want to go back to Windows (for work that is, for game is another point altogether).

I still use WinXP on my ancient laptop at home, only because it was an OEM version, and the cd-rom on that old machine has broken a few years ago (I'm too lazy to replace it, not to say that the sparepart may not be available anymore).

With keeping WinXP as my gaming platform, I might be missing out a lot of new games, specially if they are to be designed for Vista only. But for a guy like me, who as an Abandonia member mostly play DOS games (not to mention nowadays I am usually quite busy that I do not have time to play games as often as I used to have, you know: work, family, wife and daughter etc. that become my priority these days), I think I'm okay with WinXP, especially since I can also play DOS games with DOSBox in Linux, and few Windows games under Wine in Linux. For game outside PC, I ocasionally play games on PDA.

That, or buy PS3 in the future. Or perhaps Xbox. But then again, my priority is not really on game these days. Still, as I said I mostly agree with the "Save XP" sentiment.

Let's face the facts.

It's already that far that you need 'patching' it to be able to run it on the newest hardware.
If you look at the development of hardware you will need to rewrite it to get it working fine and to take advantage of the newer chips.

So in the end it wouldn't be XP anymore, it would become something between XP and Vista, we've seen that before, remember WinME?
And honnestly, I think I will wait a bit and look how it turns out before installing the sp3 pack.

More, what's the use of buying a new PC if you install an old OS on it that can't take benefit of the updated hardware? It's not only MS, it's also the hardware manufacturors that should write the appropiate XP drivers for the newest chips.


And XP doesn't need to be 'saved', it will not become obsolete so soon.
Don't like Vista? Simply keep your old PC then and stay on XP.

I perfectly know what I'm talking about! DOS was the best, DOS IS the best!
Writing the config.sys and the autoexec.bat I was feeling like I was having the total control of the PC!
Give me back the DOS (with the support of every nowaday technologies...)

I agree with dosrayder but I'd like an XP supported forever (if the DOS think is not possible...)

Just be happy for now that XP support did get extended till 2014 at the very least. Microsoft was very gung-ho about ending the support this year and moving forward with Vista.

I liked DOS, but besides the obvious differences, it didn't support multitasking, memory management was a nightmare (surely you already knew this), didn't have user accounts (meaning less possibilities as well as less security)... etcetera. It was appropriate for the time it existed, but no longer.

With past versions of Windows, Microsoft even extended support beyond the promised deadlines, it will do the same with XP given the success it's enjoyed.

You do realise that the "are you sure" thing can be switched off in 5 seconds?

And what the hell are you talking about, home calls?

i have only tried vista on new notebook before switching back to xp, but if you tell me how to for future i will be glad. and yes, homecalling, it calls it's home

Imagine a DOS
with those features
that is the DOS I dream
no windows to be opened
no windows to be closed
...
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed nor hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
(J. Lennon)

Quinto,

The good news is that, of course, you already have command line in Windows if you like, but I bet you prefer the GUI. The bad news is that DOS compatibility is still a no-no because Windows 5.x (2000/XP) is 32-bit (also there's XP 64-bit), whereas DOS (and Windows 3.x and lower) was 16-bit (too limited) and it didn't use the same APIs. No matter its name, even if it was called DOS the current MS OS wouldn't be backwards compatible, virtualization technology would still be necessary. And there are virtualization solutions available, like Virtual PC which MS provides for free afer all, or DOSBox for DOS (even XP 32-bit built-in ntvdm.exe, but this is useful only for console programs).

Also Quinto, you can be in control with Windows just like you were with DOS. The problem is that, even though it's easier to just use Windows than DOS, it's actually harder to be a power user of Windows than DOS, simply because Windows is plain more complicated and powerful. But you can configure whatever you want, if you want to learn about Windows just like you did about DOS, you can start here or in Google.

I have XP and I've seen it call home (saw it in my firewall's log then I checked the remote IP and it belonged to Microsoft). So it would seem this is not only about Vista, XP also does it. I wouldn't be too tinfoil-hat paranoid about all the urban legends romaing the Web as to the evil purposes of these calls. ;) I wouldn't be concerned about them and besides, if you're really concerned get an outbound firewall and block them.

Anyway If you don't trust Microsoft and think they feed your personal data to the ESA and the Skull&Bones, then by all means you shouldn't use any MS program let alone Windows. The important point here is that once you've installed an operating system in your computer, you've already trusted it with everything, even if you think you're in control you're only as far as the OS lets you (but it is its job to let you, unless there's some hidden agenda, and unless so many people I don't think so). These calls home are done in the open, Windows could very easily do them without your being able to know or block them, just like malicious rootkits do.

Vista is nothing special, just the next version of Windows, it provides new multimedia capabilities (not only for its own silly eye candy which you can disable, but most important for use by third-party programs), and it improves security which was a great complaint against Windows specially from Mac and Linux users. The next Windows version after Vista is already in development.

Stay away from me, evil tempter!! :p

My solution it's quite simply: let's remove the gui from XP 64 professional and we'll have a great OS!!
Why can't we have DOS 64 bit?

Cause I don't want to type CD every time I want to open a new directory. If you want such na OS just use unix or linux without a GUI.

The GUI is just to make it more agile and easy, but the interface doesn't change the architecture. Just add a shortcut to cmd.exe in your startup programs and voilà, you just got yourself a command line Windows. You could even kill the GUI (\WINDOWS\explorer.exe) at boot, if you can't prevent it from starting at all --there must be some way for that too though. ;) However I bet you'll sooner or later be back with the GUI. Before MS made Windows, the main argument against DOS from Mac fans was that their GUI was better than DOS's command line. (Then they started to claim that MS had copied Apple, when actually Apple had ripped the GUI off Xerox.)

i think you might want to disable automatic bs in services. i have my own modifited xp and it doesn't call anything except for the peers my programs set

Disable and or just block it via your firewall, thats what I did with most of the things that called home via XP.

By the way I heard that the next Windows version (internal MS version number 7.x) may "leak" like tons of data. :P At least I read in an interview with Bill Gates that he envisioned the next generation of OSes as user-centric, meaning --from what I understood-- that they would include a service so that user's settings are stored in on-line servers instead of the user's machine; so that one would have his "system" just the same no matter what physical machine he was working from. Not the user's private documents though, I guess those are well kept in the user's own machine.

That sounds like and interesting and good idea as long as your internet is cheap or free Microsoft dont think that in some areas internet is not cheap and some of us are still on dial up:mad: and already XP's weekely updates cost alot to download so a remote system would be completly unusable.

You will not be forced to use those features.
You can live happilly without those, you know.

Yeah but the trend that seems to be occuring more and more nowadays, from companies is to either secretly install these programs or bury them within a running process, which is hard to eliminate, without doing some extra work in the process.

Its fine for people who are tech savvy, but for others who have not much knowledge in these areas, thats not really fair to them either, to have to get exposed to these features which aren't exactly "clear".

So, what your saying is that they don't understand how or even why their compy works. The only thing they know -(*sometimes*)- is that the must click somewhere.
Fair enough.

How they gonna decide then what's needed from updates to keep their system a bit safe??
How they gonna decide what's really needed to run programs then?
They have no other choice then to give it out hands, to the prog devs.

And sometimes, yes indeed, they gonna be screwed.

My main point is that companies besides Microsoft, just need to be more upfront with what is being put on our systems, esepcially when it comes to phoning home. Yes it is necessary for certain things such as updating, but for other windows aspects, it'd be nice to simplify disabling such a program, but alas that always isn't possible.

If you want to disable a certain component of a program, I'm pretty sure most people don't want to either go a. fiddling through their registry to disable it there or b. go through their processes find the program and shut it down that way and or c. via programs such as hijackthis.

Reminds me of STEAM, tried that once, never again. What a piece of crap to have on your PC. In the end I've put back a sysbackup to get rid of that junk.

THEY are looking at us: http://www.computerworld.com.au/inde...1;fp;16;fpid;1

Maybe the petition will be effectless, but Microsoft knows that someone made it...

A real problem with Vista is that it needs many of the processor cycles to make sure that you are not circumventing the copy protection features of the HD-DVD player (even if you do not have the hardware installed.

Another real problem is that if malicious hackers get at the license servers (or Microsoft needs your upgrade money), your license can be revoked in an automatic update. There have already been problems linked to license server downtime.

A slap in the face to Microsoft has been OEMS buckling to consumer pressure and offering upgrades from Vista to XP on many new machines.

I use unix...for work...and managing my FTP server...all which runs under XP.
I guess I said everything.

No...wait...


:idea:

HEY! IF microsoft no longer offers support for XP (basicly abandoning it) it becomes abandonware, right? :rolleyes:

Nah, It's more like what Team 17 has with Worms.
If they find out you have it illegally. They will hunt you down.

Also Win 3.x and MS DOS are still "protected", as well as Win 9x.
MS will never "abandon" it's OS's the way we want it.

I'm going to rudely interrupt the thread and say that was a great read. Wow. CARRY ON!

Huh?:huh: You mean having Worms on your comp is illeg...wait a sec, the doorbell just rang...

*goes to answer the door*

*sounds of gunshot*

...

i think they wouldn't care and hunt the pirates of up to date games (if they still exist=S)