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Romano 04-02-2007 09:55 AM

Feel free to comment and discuss this game here. Also, if you have any useful tips or tricks don't hesitate to share them with the others! Thanks!

Review and Download (if available)

kmonster 04-02-2007 12:05 PM

The first 32 levels of the PC version are the 32 levels from the original version on PCEngine which was the first of such games. Battle Isle is an less complex clone of this, it's interesting to see what they didn't dare to copy into BG1 and was later found in BG2.

Unlike stated in the review the PC version does have some multiplayer maps.

velik_m 04-02-2007 05:09 PM

This has to be one of the worst reviews on abandonia.

Plays like a chess? How exactly? At the quick glance it looks like battle isle or panzer general.

The reviewer said he got bored of it - why? Is the game repetetive, unchallenging - or he just doesn't like TBS games?

"Believe it or not, this game requires some planning before you attack the enemy" - :huh: most strategy games do, especially turn-based. Did the reviewer even play a strategy game before?

All in all, the only useful thing i got from the review is that the game is a TBS.

anyway: Nectaris fanpage http://nectaris.tg-16.com/intro-nectaris-F...OS-germany.html with lots of info about the game

Vidi 04-02-2007 06:39 PM

Hi, can anyone help me, when I try to start Nactaris in DOSbox all I get is:

Quote:

LIM EMS V4.0 detected

71 KB DOS-memory free
2896 KB EMS-memory missing
good bye...[/b]
then it just puts me back into the prompt, while in Windows it works fine.

thanks in advance

-Vidi

axm 04-02-2007 09:36 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Vidi @ Feb 4 2007, 07:39 PM) [snapback]277981[/snapback]</div>
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2896 KB EMS-memory missing
[/b]
try bigger memsize value and/or enable ems in dosbox.conf

Yobor 04-02-2007 10:54 PM

This game is totally Military Madness from the TurboGraphix.

Guest_Darkstar_* 05-02-2007 12:07 AM

The review is very bad, yes.

This game is definitely one of the best TBS games out there. I played it *way* before Battle Isle came out. I hope someone will re-review this game (it looks like the review was thrown together in no more than 5 minutes)

If you like Battle Isle, try Nectaris, I'm sure you'll like it!

Guest 05-02-2007 01:06 AM

It reminded me of Advance Wars series more then panzer general. Actually it looks like it was cloned from Advance Wars rather then battle isles. BI is a bit more complicated but this is rather basic

Drake3 05-02-2007 03:35 AM

I am having the same problem Vidi is having. I tried adjusting the memory and nothing happens. I can't find a way to increase the ems, only a way to disable it, then it just complains about not having ems support at all.

I also tried using VDMSound and it does work with that, but the mouse is really slow. I downloaded mouse2kv.exe to help with the problem, but when I batch run it with VDMSound, it then tells me "55 KB DOS-Memory missing." To fix this, I tried disabling the "DPMI Support (DOSX)" checkbox in VDMSound and managed to lower the amount missing so it said this, "21 KB DOS-Memory missing." I tried to disable other options to free up more memory, but I couldn't find any other settings that would help in either Dosbox or VDMSound.

Does anyone have any other ideas? :huh:

Note: I did notice that the message for Dosbox and VDMSound (with Mouse2kv.exe) differ in that Dosbox's message was about ems memory and VDMSound was about DOS memory. I hope some of this info can help.

The Fifth Horseman 05-02-2007 11:50 AM

I'll see if I could write a new review for it. In all respect, it looks similar enough to Battle Isle for me to like it.

EliteKiller234 05-02-2007 02:41 PM

Hi I like to try this game out I agree with post 8 looks like advance wars but you could right about BI (never played that game though thats why I agreed with post 8) anyway looks fun to bad it's not multi-player I always direct ip on GTA final fighters and all...

LH 06-02-2007 01:37 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EliteKiller234 @ Feb 5 2007, 03:41 PM) [snapback]278119[/snapback]</div>
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Hi I like to try this game out I agree with post 8 looks like advance wars but you could right about BI (never played that game though thats why I agreed with post 8) anyway looks fun to bad it's not multi-player I always direct ip on GTA final fighters and all...
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Nectaris is way older than Advance Wars, although I'm not sure about Famicom Wars, the 1st one in that series.

And yes Military Madness = Nectaris

Specter 06-02-2007 01:52 AM

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It reminded me of Advance Wars series more then panzer general. Actually it looks like it was cloned from Advance Wars rather then battle isles. BI is a bit more complicated but this is rather basic[/b]
Im the one who wrote the 8th post by the way :P and by Advance Wars i also ment Famicom wars (the old ones) since they are almost exactly similar. But this is somewhat off topic anyways catch u around :ok:

Guest 08-02-2007 12:21 AM

But, famicom wars uses square based boards, this has more :)

Esteban 08-02-2007 07:22 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(LH @ Feb 6 2007, 02:37 AM) [snapback]278166[/snapback]</div>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EliteKiller234 @ Feb 5 2007, 03:41 PM) [snapback]278119[/snapback]
Quote:

Hi I like to try this game out I agree with post 8 looks like advance wars but you could right about BI (never played that game though thats why I agreed with post 8) anyway looks fun to bad it's not multi-player I always direct ip on GTA final fighters and all...
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Nectaris is way older than Advance Wars, although I'm not sure about Famicom Wars, the 1st one in that series.

And yes Military Madness = Nectaris
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Indeed, Nectaris / Military Madness (1989) is distinct (both in style and substance) from the Famicom Wars series (incepted in 1988). Yes, there are some similarities, but after spending a little time with each series you'll find that they offer different experiences.

Personally, I prefer Nectaris / Military Madness, but I'm biased :).

retro 08-02-2007 07:47 PM

This sounds like an interesting game to me. I have played the Battle Isle games a lot.

Regarding the review, I recall that Underdog has rated this as a top dog. Best thing might be to try it on your own.

A new review would be appreciated.

Guest 09-02-2007 02:17 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Drake3 @ Feb 5 2007, 04:35 AM) [snapback]278030[/snapback]</div>
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Does anyone have any other ideas? :huh: [/b]
I just use Windows 98 for most old games...

Guest 10-02-2007 10:07 PM

i tried everything but cannot get this to work in dosbox or windows if any one knows a fix please post on here because without it there is not much point in the game being on the site

Drake3 11-02-2007 06:57 AM

Well, now that isn't true of course. See the post above yours, it is still useful for those who have old systems to play the old games on... so it is only pointless for us right now, but it still preserves the game for the future.

I am curious though, has anyone gotten this game to work properly in XP? If so, what did you do? Anything out of the ordinary?

Thanks to all that respond.

retro 11-02-2007 02:33 PM

I have just tried out the game using dosbox 0.65. It works without any flaws.

Unfortunately I can not tell you what is different from my configuration that makes the game run.

In dosbox.conf I have got the entries:
memsize=16
xms=true
ems=true
umb=true

Maybe you should check for differences.

AbandonMike 12-02-2007 09:33 AM

Hello folks,

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(retro @ Feb 11 2007, 03:33 PM) [snapback]278834[/snapback]</div>
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I have just tried out the game using dosbox 0.65. It works without any flaws.
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Works for me, too!

Additionally, I used the D-Fend v3 BETA frontend which works with DosBOX >= v0.62
I went right through the build in setup wizard and got the game up and running in a minute. Only manual thing to do was to set the "umb=true" - all other settings were the setup wizards standard.

This is the content of my D-Fend profile file "Nectaris.prof":

Quote:

[Extra]
CloseOnExit=1
Loadhigh=0
Exe=E:\Games\Nectaris\start.bat
Setup=
NrOfMounts=1
0=E:\;Drive;E;false;;

[cpu]
cycles=3000

[dosbox]
machine=vga
memsize=16

[sdl]
output=surface

[render]
scaler=normal2x

[sblaster]
sbtype=sb16
sbbase=220
irq=7
dma=1
hdma=5
mixer=true
oplmode=auto
oplrate=22050

[gus]
gus=true
gusrate=22050
gusbase=240
irq1=5
irq2=5
dma1=1
dma2=1
ultradir=C:\ULTRASND

[midi]
mpu401=intelligent
device=default
config=

[speaker]
pcspeaker=true
pcrate=22050
tandyrate=22050
disney=true

[dos]
xms=true
ems=true
umb=true[/b]

IlyaK 19-02-2007 10:46 PM

I've played alot of strategy games. And this game just didn't do it for me. Sorry for the bad review guys. :(

kmonster 20-02-2007 07:02 PM

Here are the level codes for the later levels:

34 PROFIL 35 DESERT
36 BERTAH 37 REPAIR
38 DISPUT 39 MASERN
40 TACTIC 41 FLOWER
42 KILLER 43 INSIDE
44 MANAGE 45 POWERS
46 MIXTUR 47 ARAGON
48 POLICE 49 ESCULA
50 TRICKY 51 CHANEL
52 ROCKIN 53 CAESAR
54 COLORS 55 JUMPER
56 TRAVEL 57 SOURCE
58 GROUND 59 ROBOTS
60 SYSTEM 61 FOLDER
62 DEFEND 63 RIVERS
64 DROPIN

65 SLOWER 66 LAGUNE
67 MINIMO 68 MONSUM
69 LIGHTS 70 MANIAC
71 ACCEPT 72 THANKS
73 FIGHTS 74 TRAPEZ
75 DESERT 76 MORTAL
77 TROLLS 78 CHEESE
79 SEARCH 80 INVADE
81 WIZARD 82 NOHELP
83 EXODUS 84 PENCIL
85 STREET 86 OUTPUT
87 EMPIRE 88 VIRGIN
89 BOMBER 90 ISLAND
91 PLANET 92 SIMULA
93 FINGER 94 SLAYER
95 AIRPOT 96 SEAMAP

PS: It's possible to get through the game without saving and reloading in mid-level to force the random battle results to be lucky. I've done it.

When looking at the fanpages there are 98 levels mentioned, but I played through the game and played only 96 until the end sequence appeared. The level codes mentioned there, "MAXIMA" and "EUROPE" don't work, seems to be something like a hoax. Can anyone confirm this ?


The Fifth Horseman 21-02-2007 01:10 PM

Level codes for these may have been changed? Or maybe they aren't in this version of the game? Or maybe they are some sort of "secret" levels you have to beat the game to unlock?

kmonster 21-02-2007 06:49 PM

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Level codes for these may have been changed? Or maybe they aren't in this version of the game? Or maybe they are some sort of "secret" levels you have to beat the game to unlock?
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No, no and no, I've already thought of those things.
Like I wrote, I've already beaten the game. After level 96 you get back to level 1.
You can download the game from one of those fansites and that version doesn't behave different.
So I really think it's some kind of joke unless someone else proves me wrong.

Military Madness Fan 25-02-2007 05:51 PM

U guys have no idea how long I've waited for this game. I used to play this back in the 90s, I almost considered buying TG16 just for this one game. The PC version is great, but I think the color on TG was less vibrant and less cartoonish.

I got this download to run on my DOSbox 0.65 without issue, but it said there's no sound detected. I'm not sure how this could be fixed. The same DOXbox setup works on Master of Magic without any problem and with sound.

It's a great game.......even without sound if I had to endure it.

The Fifth Horseman 26-02-2007 03:41 PM

Is there a setup program of some kind in the game directory? Run it and configure it to use Sound Blaster 16, IRQ 7, DMA 1, Adress 220h.

Torquemada10 02-11-2010 09:58 PM

Am I playing the right team? I find the scenarios way too biased in my favor. BI had the human player at odds against cpu's superior force, which made it challenging, this is far too easy. Also the computer player is much dumber, sometimes she forgets to attack even though my unit can't shoot back.

kmonster 02-11-2010 11:44 PM

The early levels are quite easy, but the game will get more challenging soon. BI and its expansions aren't nearly as difficult.
I consider the AI in the first 32 levels (the original game) about as good in BI, newer and better AI scripts are used at higher levels.

Xzar 19-02-2011 12:49 AM

I think the writer's opinion "bring it to the point or describe it correctly" (or how to say it in english).

AI and balance = 0 Points. That means, this is no game for expert strategists.
I did test it again and the game is to much luck based. It is a huge difference after a attack, if only 7 units left or 3 units left.
The AI has often only too many units and is programmed with no tactic.
Moving the only-Air-Artillery (cant shoot after moving) to reach my air units in front of a massive tanks.
AI moves air units and ground units to my long range units.
AI fights near my depot, thats allow me to instant repair, deploy and attack the enemy units.
AI tries to capture the depot and i need only one hit to destroy it.
AI captures a depot and i have an unit to re-capture it + one unit from the enemy for free.
The transport units can only transport one unit.

kmonster 21-02-2011 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xzar (Post 423296)
Btw. KI and balance = 0 Points, that means, this is no game for expert strategists.

The KI is very good for a game of that time. Consider that there's a random factor involved in every single battle which makes the calculations very complicated. The game is far more complex and than Battle Isle and its expansions. Especially the later levels with different enemy KI require a lot of thinking, the KI isn't perfect but definitely better than in BI1/moon. Battle isle is easier and smaller while Nectaris is more challenging.

Xzar 27-02-2011 08:58 PM

KI means AI

Torquemada10 16-08-2011 10:04 PM

This game becomes quite challenging to the point where one mismove and it will cost you the game, however I find myself unable to beat level 51 (romulus) I just don't see what the catch is here, it looks like it might be an even battle, that's until you notice that you have no means to repair and the enemy missile buggies force you to play aggressively which is impossible since there is no means to repair. I've tried to capture the HQ but it's simply too far away and there is no way to save any of the infantry on the left side of the map.

Any ideas? Don't want to skip a level

kmonster 17-08-2011 12:33 AM

Level 51 (CHANEL) is the hardest level of the whole game. It's in fact impossible to save the infantries on the left side. Save the giant, you can use it for distraction now and then.
When I beat this map by capturing the enemy HQ with an infantry I'd lost almost all units.
You have to fight defensively (but not totally), survive long enough to allow an infantry from the east to travel west to the enemy HQ.
It's beatable without using save/reload but it's a difficult, slow and painful level.

Torquemada10 19-08-2011 08:15 PM

Well I finally did it I saved one of the infantry at the west end (the one accompanying the giant), I used my buggies to secure his escape then waited for the right time to assault the HQ. My eastern force got annihilated, although they put up a valiant fight (even managed to take out lots of lynxs) but the three infantry there couldn't make it across the small canyon since the lynx buggies blocked them, so they were assigned to guard duty.

kmonster 19-08-2011 10:09 PM

Well done :OK:
I didn't think that it's possible to save the infantry in the west. I didn't think the computer would leave the rabbit alone, I thought it would just tear the rabbit apart, encircle and destroy the giant and wipe out the infantry with its rabbits.

The next levels will be more fun.

Torquemada10 20-08-2011 12:06 AM

You will definately lose one rabbit but its low price to pay to save this guy, I actually sent like 3 rabbits the computer player went nuts trying to kill them, but I retreated as soon as the infantry was safe.

Next level was way too easy though, I did fail in my first try since I wiped out the enemy of my ally leaving him without any enemies to fight so he won :P


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