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twillight 28-01-2013 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by yoga (Post 449039)
OK. I very carefully will make changes You advice me:

twillight the Priest will have Str 18, Vit 17 and Pie 13

Ist das gut?

Because You are my favorite pls tell me what portrait do You want?
:smile2:

It sounds very good to me. The head-bashing priest I like :max:

My choice of portraits would be what this guy chose for his/her party's rawulf (at 05:35), but any of the three will do.

yoga 28-01-2013 05:45 PM

We prepare for the first step
 
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Originally Posted by twillight (Post 449047)
It sounds very good to me. The head-bashing priest I like :max:

My choice of portraits would be what this guy chose for his/her party's rawulf (at 05:35), but any of the three will do.


OK for portraits for twillight and Kmonster.

But other members incl. me have also right to select their portraits.

One problem remains to our attention:

Our friend, His Majesty Paco the Great is very busy in the Castle (i think he makes maps?) and has no time for portraits.
I am very poor and have low rank so maybe some of You or yr friends will ask His Majesty for portrait selection.
Thank You.

Still i work on the skills, Mage Kmonster.

Captain yoga
:whistling:

kmonster 28-01-2013 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by twillight (Post 449047)
My choice of portraits would be what this guy chose for his/her party's rawulf (at 05:35), but any of the three will do.

You have been caught Yoga ! Twillight found where you got your party from. :perv:

I thought you posted the characters you wanted to play, but it's just a party someone created optimized for his taste in Wizardry 8. Is this exactly what you want too ?
W7 isn't balanced for importing characters and it's not a real import from W7 into W8 either.

In a W6 game it doesn't make sense making your bard an Elf, Felpurr get more resistance bonuses and 3 more attribute points to spend, even human is better for it. Dracons have low personality which doesn't matter for ninjas, there's no benefit in the Felpurr's high per. Dwarves get 2 more points to spend freely as Valkyrie than Dracons. Fairy monks get their huge fairy resistance and casting bonuses while the armor restrictions don't matter for this class.
If the races were no roleplaying decisions and you want to keep the classes I recommend the following mix instead (with rolls of 18):

Dwarf Valkyrie (I'd actually start as female fighter with stats 18-6-10-16-9-10-8 to get skill points (all into scouting) and higher carrying capacity and switch class later, if you want dracon choose female fighter with stats 16-7-10-16-10-10-7)
Fairy Monk 13-11-13-9-10-14-12 (all points into theosophy)
Dracon Ninja 14-10-10-13-12-12-6 (all points into alchemy)
Felpurr Bard 12-10-7-16-12-12-12 (thaumaturgy is the casting stat)
Rawulf Priest 16-6-12-16-10-10-10 (all points into theology, eventually transfer points from dex/speed to get 18 str and maybe even 18 vit)
Fairy Mage 5-12-13-16-10-14-12 (all points into thaumaturgy, alternative stats 10-12-6-18-10-14-12)


The question is: What is copycat and what do you want ? You don't need a perfect party to beat the game and you can afford many things because of personal preferences but there's no point in making your party weaker because of someone else's party aimed at wizardry 8.

yoga 29-01-2013 04:24 AM

:hihihi:
OK.

ha ha ha
But i do not hide myself.
Yes, i read the explanations of some man, found they are correct and followed his way.
I do not want to discover the wheel again.
Moreover i am lazy man, as You know already.
All of us use the background of some one before us even You, wise Wizard! Ja?

.....
BTW, the soldier twillight may be relegated and dismissed for such a delinquency after fair interrogation or at least put in jail for 1 year and replaced by Hunvagy
.....

In the other RPG i played i did not select my party but took the suggested one, grab the weapon and On the road again to save the world.
This is the first game i prepared so slow and carefully because some other wise man informed me many times ago that Wiz 7 is terrible hardcore game. In the Net i found also bad words for the game. I decided to train more and collect any possible info for the game. Moreover i start Wiz 6, not 7 thinking 6 is simple and no so difficult.

Well, i think it is time to start.

Because i respect You i will take your data to start.
I do not care for transfer of present characters in 7 or even 8.

Captain yoga

La la la where have all the good times gone? la la la
In BG.
:whistling:

kmonster 29-01-2013 10:18 AM

Yoga, you obviously are not the player who enjoys planning and rolling your party, you want to start playing and get to the action immediately, no time to waste for stupid manual reading or making plans.

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Originally Posted by yoga (Post 449054)
Because i respect You i will take your data to start.
:whistling:

It's only some advice by me, if you don't want to follow it I won't think you don't respect me, after all you're going to play the game for your enjoyment and not to do me favor, I would feel bad driving you into something you don't want to.:(

If you're going to roll for 18 bonus with all characters it will take some time, how many characters did you create already ? Will you have the time and patience to create a party with +18 bonus rolled for all 6 characters ? :whistling:

yoga 29-01-2013 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kmonster (Post 449056)
Yoga, you obviously are not the player who enjoys planning and rolling your party, you want to start playing and get to the action immediately, no time to waste for stupid manual reading or making plans.
It's only some advice by me, if you don't want to follow it I won't think you don't respect me, after all you're going to play the game for your enjoyment and not to do me favor, I would feel bad driving you into something you don't want to.:(
If you're going to roll for 18 bonus with all characters it will take some time, how many characters did you create already ? Will you have the time and patience to create a party with +18 bonus rolled for all 6 characters ? :whistling:


Oh, great misunderstanding between me
and well respected Kmonster.
Sorry.
You make me uptight, dear Kmonster.
You force me to say things someone may interpret wrong.
You are the person in AB I like and respect as my brother.
Believe me.
Yes, i like humor and some times i did some twisted remarks about Xeen lava sections. But You immediately killed me with correct words and times.
Take it easy! It is joke only.
I am good jester.
Never, never i will insult You. Nein.

...Concerning this game:
This is the first game i prepare so seriously.
Yes, i am not player who wants carefully planning of all things in game. I am this kind of player who grab his AK-47, loaded it and jumping on the streets against the enemies (Doom2) or follow the endless tunnels in Daggerfalls.
But now is different. You post me - Yoga, do not start yet! and i do not enter the game after the hero selection.
I am still thinking what is the best skilled variant for all my characters.

But with all my respect to You i would like to say:
-Preparing so good for the forthcoming battle the player will have some advantages and the duel will be no fair.
Do You agree with this my opinion?
I think (This is my personal opinion and do not want to insult any one with this opinion) that one will enjoy the game if:
1. S(he) buys the game.
2. Installed.
3. Started and immediately entered the battling. No plans, no maps. As Conan the Barbarian.

I was even criticized that i use instructions and maps.
You see my situation: Between 2 friendly fires.

One: Hey, you stupid yog, why you read the instructions? Hero never reads WT.
Second: You, lazy hooligan, why you do not read the instructions?
:hihihi:

..and poor creature is going crazy...poor creature is me of course.

..about time: I have all the time of the world. (Oh, if some fuc-ed project does not land on my bureau).

Moreover is not very fatal if i start with no so good skilled commandos.
Yes. I started Arena 3 times, Ultima UW 2 - 4 times and Ultima Pagan - 7 times and another game - 8 times. I am tenacious player and do not give up even before that monster who arises from the sarcophagi.

Please, relax.
Together we will beat the final boss never mind who or what is - machine, cyborg, lord of the Chaos 3 or mad magician.

Danke Sehr!

PS: Hope You know that even being "no ready-plan gamer" brave very cautiously entered the battle evaluating all chances and environmental conditions.
Last but not least remark: I am Gemini

kmonster 29-01-2013 03:28 PM

I don't feel offended in any way, Yoga.
It's just hard to give advice if I don't know what you want so I asked some questions. So I've come to the following conclusion now (correct me if I'm wrong):

You don't mind what your party consists of as long you can get through the game with it well and you don't want to spend days rolling your party.

Yoga the action-hero "who grab his AK-47, loaded it and jumping on the streets against the enemies" shouldn't be told spending days rolling characters until he gets a +18 bonus for all of them, the world needs him in action sooner. You don't need such powerful characters at the start, the same power can be achieved by fighting a few extra fights later which is more heroic.



Here are the instructions:

Dracon Ninja: Roll until you get 15+ and select Ninja. If you get more points raise strength and vitality. Put all skill points into alchemy.

Rawulf Priest: Roll until you get 14+ and select Priest. Raise strength and vitality to 16, spend leftover points for dex and spd. Put all skill points into theology. Pick Heal Wounds as one starting spell.

Felpurr Bard: Roll until you get 14+ and select Bard. Raise vitality to 16 and put all other points into strength. Put all skill points into thaumaturgy.

Dwarf Fighter: Choose female. Roll until you get 16+ and select Fighter. Stats 16-6-10-16-9-10-8, leftover points into strength.
If you're impatient you can use a roll of 14-15, in this case choose 18 str and lower vit. Put all skill points into scouting.

Fairy Monk: Roll until you get 17+ and select monk. Put all points into vitality. All skill points into theosophy.

Fairy Mage: Roll until you get 14+ and select mage. Raise vitality to 18, leftover points into strength. All skill points into thaumaturgy. Pick energy blast as one of the starting spells.


This will still take some time but be much faster than going 18+ for all your characters. Once all 6 characters are created you can still decide if you want to spend some extra time rolling to replace them with better ones.

Backup your game folder before starting the game in case you want to restart with some changes.



Be aware that in the old times users were expected to read the thick manuals, make their plans according to the information and spend a long time rolling their characters. Quite often they'd realize after playing for some time that they made a mistake at party creation and restart.
Nowadays there are so many games on the market that players switch to another if they'd have to spend more than 5 minutes preparing.
In Wizardry 6 it's better to spend a little more time rolling your characters than losing time later shuffling inventory because of carrying capacity problems, waiting for spell points to regenerate or save/reload spamming battles because the low HP characters can't even survive a single spell cast at them and other combat problems.

twillight 29-01-2013 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kmonster (Post 449065)
Be aware that in the old times users were expected to read the thick manuals,

And poor but clever yoga just takes the filtered informations from them and makes a strong start easily.

I don't see that wrong, not even lazy in a sense.

yoga 29-01-2013 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by twillight (Post 449066)
And poor but clever yoga just takes the filtered informations from them and makes a strong start easily.

I don't see that wrong, not even lazy in a sense.

@Kmonter
OK.
I start right now new reroling of my all party after Your instructions.
One word only:

"because the low HP characters can't even survive a single spell cast"

I started the game Ravenloft: Strahd's Possession with weak character and after 2-3 failed attempts to enter Castle main door i started new game with stronger character because i died all the time in front of door guards.
Above mentioned words are true and correct.

@twillight
You, Priest twillight, are found guilty of betrayal of your commander and ... sentenced:
-Go to your home and stay 3 days in warm place drinking tea with aspirin.
Then, healthy back in the unit.
:3:

kmonster 30-01-2013 12:03 AM

Be nice towards Twillight, Yoga, else when you are deep down in a Wizardy6 dungeon, heavily wounded and dying of poison, Twillight the priest might remember when you need healing. :bleh1: :lame:


When rolling your characters use your brain to speed things up. I'm curious how many preparation hours you'll spend until your party is ready, maybe you'll enjoy rolling for better stats so much that you can't stop :smugulon: , it can be very addictive.


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