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Lulu_Jane 13-12-2010 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 418793)
There's a thing I'm sure about, Assange became a symbol, and it's very difficult to destroy simbols, even death is useless.
That's why I think arresting him is just stupid, on the contrary, you all have seen what's happening.

This, this right here is a very important point. Dude has to stay in the media and flop himself about everywhere, staying public is a very good way of not meeting with a mysterious accident.

angry axe 13-12-2010 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lulu_Jane (Post 418854)
This, this right here is a very important point. Dude has to stay in the media and flop himself about everywhere, staying public is a very good way of not meeting with a mysterious accident.

If such an incident were to occur I think only a small percentage would ask questions the rest would hate him or not give a damn.

Lulu_Jane 13-12-2010 10:33 AM

I disagree.

Tito 13-12-2010 08:48 PM

Lots of people would ask questions. Few of them could do anything apart from that. But, well, it would be another good reason for a lot of people for despising those causing the "mysterious accident".

angry axe 13-12-2010 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tito (Post 418884)
Lots of people would ask questions. Few of them could do anything apart from that. But, well, it would be another good reason for a lot of people for despising those causing the "mysterious accident".

Thats kinda what i meant, most of the people who know who he is may wonder if the government had a hand in this... and then go on with their lives.

Scatty 14-12-2010 08:41 AM

There would be much uproar, the media would use this fully for own profit, then after a while everyone will go on with the daily life. It happened before, people forget quickly.
Those who need the job done don't care if they're despised by the public, there would be no one certain to put the finger on as usually and that's all that matters. Such things are done quietly without leaving traces. Still, it helps when he stays in the light of attention.

Japo 14-12-2010 10:20 PM

Myself, I'm very happy about WikiLeaks' work. Even though my political ideas are probably far in many repects from most of its supporters and even Assange's. I think it's important that politicians be accountable. If they can do whatever they come up with without voter input, democracy and republicanism are over--not to mention if voters don't even know in the first place.

There are two separate parties here that tend to be identified: WikeLeaks itself and the whistle-blowers. The latter have most times committed some fault, if they were government officials they probably broke some oath or otherwise are at fault and liable to be prosecuted. They were likely aware of this and acted under their own responsibility, considering the personal consequences versus the goals they wanted to advance--most likely unselfish.

By the way, let us hope, that government officials are still liable to criticism as well, or even prosecution if and when they're at fault.

On the other hand there seems to be very little ground, legally first of all, to prosecute WikiLeaks itself. It's in a very similar position to traditional media that have disclosed classified leaks in the past. The only difference is the scale, the Internet is more powerful than earlier media against governments.

There's also the point that Assange himself needn't and mustn't be identified with WikiLeaks. There are a lot of reports about him in the press, and they all should probably be taken with a grain of salt, but it seems Assange has a good deal of virtues as well as flaws. And although his personality shouldn't be of our concern, we don't have any strong reason to believe that the charges brought against him in Sweden are fabricated. Be that as it may, I've also heard that he's faced a lot of criticism and dissent from within WikiLeaks. What I'm saying is that even if something happened to Assange (and I don't mean anything conspiranoid), that would not be the end of this. Actually some of the most prominent dissenters are already busy founding a competitor to WikiLeaks, http://openleaks.net/, but even WikiLeaks may survive (metaphorically) Assange.


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