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Don Andy 22-03-2006 02:55 PM

I don't see anything wrong with it. They should even be allowed to get a computer or something (just no internet).

I mean, one good way to rehab is a good hobby. And if Gaming isn't a hobby, then what is it?

And one can use a computer for much more than gaming.
If I had the skills I would use my computer for a lot of artisitc activities.

And playing old Games like Super Mario, Pacman, Sonic or the likes isn't wrong either. You just shouldn't allow them to play games like GTA, Blood Omen or Doom 3 or something like that.

Rogue 22-03-2006 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chuck the plant@Mar 22 2006, 09:31 AM
@ Anubis: Your claim that "most criminals are wild animals" is based on exact which of your - numerous, I'm sure - first-hand-experiences...?

And why a difference for political inmates? I don't really think that someone advocating racial hate - as an example - should get a better treatment than someone who stole somebody else's purse... do you? :eeeeeh:

Chucky,
No, I've never been in prison, but I was in the camp, and I can tell you from the first hand that no one would be able to survive that long to even get TV in the camps that were in my country. Only game you have the whole day is not to get beaten and how to eat your daily lunch under 3 minutes... :blink:

But I know some people who where in prison, and I can assure you that prison did not change them much, especially not in better way. All of them when thinking about mistake, they are actually thinking what was wrong so they were inprisoned, and if there was a better way to avoid the prison - not the crime.

Number of inmates who 'returned' to that better place (at least in the countries I've lived in) is quite high.

To get better understanding how bad everything is in USA, especially in California, just google for Third Strike Law. You'll get better picture of what I'm talking about.

Mostly if someone is advocating racial hate, he is not political inmate, as that's against law and it makes it criminal inmate. Sebatianos explaned that better. :)

I just don't see current prisons working, not I believe that old style prisons did work. I don't believe in re-educating criminals.

What to do with all of those criminals? Buy them the ticket to Australia? LOL :tomato:

I guess we need another big island.... ;)

omg 22-03-2006 03:50 PM

hooray, another topic where the conservetive brigade get a chance to be... well conservative. how many people are in american prisons for minor drug offences that in many other civilised countrys would just lead to a fine, or indeed not even make it into court. you dont belive in rehabilitation? hey lets just send them all to a distant island... hey conservetives, why dont you just advocate killing them and recycling there bodymass for the usefull protien it contains......
why not give them games? they have to work for them, indeed arnt american prisons turning into work houses anyway, why not add a bit of carrot to the stick. and why not give them pc.s? in u.k prisons you can get a pc, the people who get those p.cs tend to have quit smoking so there allowance can get them one. and yes its for creative purposes. its a real shame anubis that all the people you know imprisoned are asholes. it really is. possibly why they are in prison in the first place. i know people who after getting out of prison are determined not to get put back in there. one friend of mine got a 3 year sentance after he nearly killed someone on the tail end of amphetimine binge. he never touched speed again. and is very carefull when out drinking to not get in fight situations. prison taught him to walk away from fights. another freind of mine got put in for drunk driving. after he got out, even after enougth time had passed for him to get a new licence he never bothered, as unfortunatly he has never been able to overcome his alchahol addiction. (then again he is irish so his addiction is most likly genetic and treatment for genetic addiction disorders is not yet availible in the u.k.) most people get out of prison and they dont want to go back in. in fact evry single person i have met who has spent some time inside does not want to go back in. (i have only related the stories of 2 people i know well) so , wow. american prisoners are going to get a nes....... well thats certainly going to make the fact that they are in prison just sooo much easier.........

Rogue 22-03-2006 04:07 PM

I don't consider my self conservative, but speaking of criminals, I do like to see the law and system that will actually work. I know, I'm asking for utopia...

I am supporter of prevention. Why not prevent something before even happens. Schools are the places we (hopefully) spend a lot of time in childhood. That should be the place children get proper idea of what to do and not to do.

Something is terribly wrong in out society, and prisons here in states are mostly full. There was just another documentary on TV where they are trying to solve problem of full capacity of prisons. Which proves that current crime rates are not falling, even more and more criminals are behind the bar.

And let's make it sure we all agree that not doing something because you are scared of consequences is not the same if you aren't doing it because you believe its wrong to do it.

But I don't support either killing of prisoners. Life sentence IMHO works better then death penalty.

Reason why I don't think that giving inmates games is proper is that they did not come to jail to have fun. They should spend as much time as possible to rethink their actions and if possible to feel guilty of what have they done.

omg 22-03-2006 04:24 PM

if the only gaming system available to me was a nintendo, i think i would definatly think twice about going into prison....
also a very significant proportion of these american inmates are in for minor drug offences. there arnt many countrys where you get sent to prison for selling a teenth of weed to your neighbour.. as the prisoners are already working 12 hour days why not give them some entertainment for the evening? gotta be better than them doing heroin, brewing prison hooch, fighting and enjoying the myriad plesures of sodomy.
and even in uk prisons heroin is widly availible. a lot of people who go into prison come out junkies. you cant expect someone to work in a sweatshop for 12 hours then get back to there cell to *think about what they have done* they will go nuts. how does that serve soceity?
i agree that prevention is better than prison, but again, how on earth do you expect someone from a deprived area to listen to such education? people react according to social norms right? well if in your neighbourhood the people with money are the dealers then it is unfortunatly normall for someone from such an area to aspire to being a drug dealer. and probably end up in prison. also (unfortunatly) to people who have had to starve prison is attractive (3 meals a day, a bed ect) and also due to the prison education service in america i have heard about people who get themselfs put in prison for the free college education. insane i know , but in a country where social wellfare is constantly being cut from people who need it this kind of thing is going to increase.

*there trying to build a prison*

Rogue 22-03-2006 04:31 PM

Minor drug offenses would mean less then 12 months in prison.

This (video games) is more for 'long' time members. :D

There is a game called Prison Tycoon. When I saw it first time, I was wondering what kind of people want to play this kind of sim. :blink: LOL

http://www.valusoft.com/art/products/prisontycoon.jpg

http://www.valusoft.com/art/products...tycoon-ss1.jpg

http://www.valusoft.com/art/products...tycoon-ss6.jpg



It is cheaper in local Target store. (10 bucks)http://www.valusoft.com/art/products...tycoon-ss2.jpg

Blood-Pigggy 22-03-2006 04:43 PM

I don't think many of you are getting it in your head is that these people have to work for 25 MONTHS and have a clean RECORD on their disciplinary charts.
It's not easy.

They aren't just handing the things out.

omg 22-03-2006 04:44 PM

@anubis obviosly what you and i consider to be minor drug offences are two very different things.
EDIT @piggy i read the whole thread however clearly you are confused by what i consider a minor drug offence. so lets clarify. i think selling cocaine is a minor offence, unless its been cut with something nasty. i consider selling mdma to be a minor offence, unless its cut with something nasty. i consider selling magic mushrooms to be a minor offence (i dont know the american stance but over here mushies have recently been put into the class a catagory) i consider selling weed to be a minor offence, even if the amount is in tons. however the american goverment does not.

however prison tycoon looks a lot more fun than sim hospital. im gonna try it out. :ok:
hahaha, let my evil facist out to play for a while :twisted:

Rogue 22-03-2006 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by omg@Mar 22 2006, 12:44 PM
obviosly what you and i consider to be minor drug offences are two very different things.

however prison tycoon looks a lot more fun than sim hospital. im gonna try it out.* :ok:
hahaha, let my evil facist out to play for a while* :twisted:

You right, our ideas of minor seems to be quite different. :)

Any drug sale/resale is not minor...

What's going to be next thing? Allow them to play GTA? LOL LOL LOL

omg 22-03-2006 04:50 PM

rotflol ect. nice 1. haha. LOL still chuckling. maybe not g.t.a.. surly there is some game somewhere that teaches moral values... not that i have come across it.

edit: is there a barney the dinosaur game, give them that to play and the prison suicide rate will surly increase meaning more room in prisons.


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