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Tulac 12-03-2006 11:12 AM

Probably as nothhing on the world is free, which is true, but "lunch" can be used metaphorically...

Iron_Scarecrow 12-03-2006 11:22 AM

Personally I had never paid taxes before that lunch, I didn't give anything to that Uni, I didn't end up being a student there, the trip there and back was paid for by my school, my school fee's were paid by my dad and they were for the use of school belongings during school classes, I turned up followed some guy around to all different classes, I didnt even listen to him, I ate the lunch, spent another hour or so following and not even listening to the guy and came home, if anything it was a good chance to get some exercise walking all over the university all day.

I spent no money on this lunch(taxes or fees), and as far as I'm concerned I didn't miss out on anything or waste any of my time, and that can only be judged by the holder.

It was free. And it was lunch.

Havell 12-03-2006 11:28 AM

You're thinking about it from purely your point of view, and in terms on money.
There were many costs of that lunch, to the university who supplied it and social costs, such as pollution and the pesticides used on the crops. It doesn't matter that the university's costs aren't your own, it wasn't free. And you do suffer from the social costs, as do we all.

Iron_Scarecrow 12-03-2006 11:40 AM

My point of view is all that matters on the subject.

We're talking about a free lunch, I think you're getting too philosophical over such a simple matter.

Havell 12-03-2006 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Iron_Scarecrow@Mar 12 2006, 12:40 PM
We're talking about a free lunch, I think you're getting too philosophical over such a simple matter.
Erm... Title?

And I'm not getting philosophical, I'm getting economical. This is the way you need to think for A-level Economics.

a1s 12-03-2006 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by TheChosen@Mar 12 2006, 01:59 PM




1. What is the meaning of the life?
42! :D
more to the point, the life doen's actualy have a meaning, it just is. like a table, does a table mean something? the table however has a purpose which you define for it (well you could sleep on it, or you could burn it for heating during a particulary cold winter), and so does life.
2. Can we choose the life were living?
yes, and no. you can't chose to be a duck for example, or to become a musical genuis if you're deaf, but you can change all those little things.
3. How/why does fate/karma/whatever control our live?
how? why? how about "does it?", the answer is "no". allthough there are some starting conditions, which have ifluence on our life, but one can hardly call it 'fate'.
4. Is there such thing as "free lunch"?
"free lunch"? no, nothing is really free. a lunch you didn't pay for however is more common.
5. How big is the universe?
about this big <shows>, on a logartihmic scale ofcourse.
6. Is there a life after death?
no. and belive you me that's a good thing.
7. Something else.
I'd like to address the chckien problem:
1)the egg was first- dinosaurs had eggs.
1a(intermission)"but we are only talking about chiken eggs"- someone would usualy say.
2)ah, then it's a question of defenition: i.e. what is a "chicken egg"?
2a)if we say "an egg is called 'chicken egg' then and only then if it was layed by a chicken", then chiken came first.
2b)if, on the other hand, we say "an egg is called 'chicken egg' then and only then if a chicken will hatch out of it", then the egg came first.
it's as simple as that.

Havell 12-03-2006 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by a1s@Mar 12 2006, 12:47 PM
2. Can we choose the life were living?
yes, and no. you can't chose to be a duck for example, or to become a musical genuis if you're deaf, but you can change all those little things.

Beethoven was deaf, and a musicla genius. About the duck, it is possible to live your life as a duck. So I'd have to say that it is possible to live your life however you like. Even as something like a seagull, thoguh your life expectancy is somewhat limited.

Tulac 12-03-2006 11:51 AM

It is impossible that the egg came first becausein the evolution one celular oraganisms did not have eggs, and they were the first live beings on the planet, not dinosaurs...

Quintopotere 12-03-2006 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by TheChosen@Mar 12 2006, 10:59 AM
1. What is the meaning of the life?
2. Can we choose the life were living?
3. How/why does fate/karma/whatever control our live?
4. Is there such thing as "free lunch"?
5. How big is the universe?
6. Is there a live after dead?
7. Something else.

1. Life is our oportunity to choice between love and lonelyness

2. See answer 1, we can choose how live the life we have. And the life that will come.

3. Probably there aren't such things, but even if they exist, they can't control our feelings, which are the important things.

4. No, I'm sorry. everything costs something (dollars, time, energy, mana, Force...)

5. Dimensions are just a human concept which permits our kind of existence. Space and matter don't exist really, so, who care how big is the universe, if it not even exist?

6. Yes, and we will live according to what we have chosen in life (see answer 1)

7. That question is too difficult for me... I have to reflect about it for a while...


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Originally posted by Don Andy
My theory: If the universe really was endless, shouldn't the sky at night be totally white of stars? Since it is infinite, there should be an infinite amount of stars visible at the sky.
But there cuold be a finite number of stars in an infinite universe!

Havell 12-03-2006 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by Quintopotere+Mar 12 2006, 12:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Quintopotere @ Mar 12 2006, 12:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Don Andy
My theory: If the universe really was endless, shouldn't the sky at night be totally white of stars? Since it is infinite, there should be an infinite amount of stars visible at the sky.
But there cuold be a finite number of stars in an infinite universe! [/b][/quote]
Or the light is being absorbed by the (also infinite) amount of black holes. As for the universe, I think it's as big as it needs to be. There is an edge to the known universe (around 13 billion lightyears away) but when we go there the edge will have moved further back again.


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